Going underground as facilitator - Follow-up
Marc Steinlin (I-P-K)
marc.steinlin at i-p-k.ch
Thu Jul 17 16:27:43 PDT 2008
Earlier on I had taken from this list that your (and my!) favourite
question to an OS facilitator is: "What do we actually pay you for?" -
I find it hilarious and I always share it with people when talking
about OS, it's always a scream!
Usually I then refer to my memories living in West Africa. We mostly
had a night watchman in our garden (in many ways the reason was also
to give another person a job). They were always there, sitting under a
tree, brewing tea and they were great to have a chat with - they knew
everything that happened in the neighbourhood!
But they never actually did something. And that was the point: you
have a night watchmen BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO DO
and you have the great desire that they never ever will need to do
anything - that was precisely the reason why you have (and paid!)
them! They are "holding the night" - and your space to sleep free from
worries. And you assume that their mere presence creates this safe
space.
That's always how I understood - and explained - my role and the space
that I hold as a facilitator. People (who have experienced African
night watchmen) always understood...
Thanks again!
-marc
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On 17 Jul 2008, at 00:35 , Pat Black wrote:
> I have spent the last couple of days thinking about your question
> "What does it mean to hold space?" and can the group hold it and any
> group? My thoughts on what I do when I hold the space is to just be
> present with what ever goes on. I don't judge or manage it in any
> way. I am a witness to it and that is what holding space is for me.
> I listen and I see, I feel it and experience it. But I don't judge
> it and I receive whatever is happening with the same comfort and
> acceptance. I totally trust Open Space and the power it has to
> incubate vision so I am also the poster child for that. When things
> get rugged and they do at times in most groups that have come to
> wrestle with conflict and passionate opinions I am often asked to
> manage the conflict in some way. I stand as the one person in the
> gathering of people who always has their eye on Open Space and my
> trust in it never waivers. I am the person that can be relied on to
> say this process called Open Space will provide whatever is needed
> for the issue to get sorted out and at the depth the group has the
> capacity for at that moment. I have experienced as the facilitator
> and as a participant at Open Space events that the facilitator in
> gives permission for people to stay engaged in whatever has got them
> rattled if they feel passionate about it even when they feel scared
> or threatened in some way. I do feel that people often are able to
> get on the other side of an issue when they stick with it through
> the wretched hard place. So to answer the question about is the
> facilitator necessary with any or all groups I would say no. The
> facilitator is not required with any group ever but I believe that
> there should be one present at every event. I just believe that
> sometimes when you are in the thick of it with a group and feel so
> passionate about an issue that it feels like breathe and the
> engagement with others feels like they are stealing your breathe
> that it is helpful to have someone there that is never inside that
> soup. Someone who by their presence reminds us that the soup we
> find ourselves in is just one soup and not the entire universe.
> Someone who by their presence reminds us that if we travel a little
> further we will find ourselves in a new space that is not just more
> comfortable but better, more open. That can happen with or without
> a facilitator but when it is hot sometimes we disengage before we
> get there if there isn't a facilitator.
> Thanks for the thoughtful questions.
> Pat Black
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Marc Steinlin (I-P-K) <marc.steinlin at i-p-k.ch
> > wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I had asked you for your feedback and input almost 2 months ago on
> "going underground" as a facilitator and I have received much
> valuable input from many among you.
>
> In the meantime, the event took place and it was great. We were
> about 90 persons from the KM4Dev (Knowledge Management for
> Development) community gathered for our annual meeting in Lisbon.
> After having experimented with OS last year already, we this time
> decided to run the whole meeting over 2 days entirely in OS. We had
> a lot of enthusiasm and committed people, interesting discussions,
> countless sessions. Reporting was done online on a wiki (http://www.km4dev.org/wiki/index.php/Open_Space_Discussion_Reports
> ) - so we didn't have to provide computers in the back of the room;
> most of the participants had their notebooks with them and we just
> announced the wiki URL - this worked excellent.
>
> What also worked great was: having no facilitator to hold space. I
> opened the OS but during the nomination of topics declared that I
> would now convert into a normal participant; I quickly returned to
> the facilitator role for just one sentence to open the market place
> and they we took off. Evening news were done by other people - a
> group, one doing a closing circle, some doing some announcements,
> and a professional theatre artist did some funny performance games
> with the entire group.
> I reopened the OS next morning to recollect some more topics, but
> from there onwards, I again dived back into the crowd and entirely
> forgot about the process. The second evening was pretty much
> "participatory managed" like the first. It just worked great!
>
> This leaves me with the questions:
> What means "holding space"? What is the function, if demonstrably
> one can do without?
> Or is it really that the group as a whole can hold space (which
> seemed to be the case)? Any group?
> Why do we really need any facilitator throughout the event?
> And consequently under which conditions can we dispense with it?
> What is the risk? Can this go totally wrong?
>
> Again many thanks to those who contributed to the previous discussion!
> Best regards,
> -marc
>
>
>
>
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> On 25 May 2008, at 14:46 , Marc Steinlin (I-P-K) wrote:
>
>> Dear all, many thanks for your feedback! I will take up your ideas
>> and inputs with my colleagues.
>>
>> I can take some ideas with me: initially I was more thinking of
>> having each of us facilitating a part of the OS - "serial"
>> facilitation. But on the basis of your comments, I feel like maybe
>> rather going for "parallel" facilitation. I don't know exactly what
>> that means, but have a feeling emerging in my guts - I'm positive
>> we will know how to do it.
>> Thanks for the words of caution, in particular to you Michael. I
>> have made similar experiences in other contexts with regard to
>> confused roles, projections and so on and if we are aware of this
>> possibility, I'm sure we - well, as you say maybe not avoid it, but
>> will be able to deal with it when it's there. But I'm not really
>> afraid of this, I have a lot of confidence in my friends' and my
>> own experience.
>>
>> What makes things easier is that nobody would consider me as their
>> leader. I will - together with others - facilitate the event, and
>> for some it will be their first full-fledged OS experience, but
>> nobody would think I might be something like their "leader" beyond
>> facilitating this day. The nice thing about this group of people
>> is, that it is very open and open-minded community - in fact I feel
>> that the open space philosophy is very close to the thinking of
>> this group.
>>
>> I also like very much the idea of adopting OS as a system of
>> continuous operation, which has come through some of your
>> responses. I am currently thinking about how to run my own little
>> organisation in a micro-macro-OS way: micro because at this stage
>> we are just 3 of us, macro because I would like to start somehow
>> getting into the OS way and opening space, but not really closing
>> it anymore - eg. having a constantly evolving market place of
>> topics that we are conversing about, and to somehow apply the
>> principles as our normal mode of operation. Don't know whether this
>> (will) make any sense...
>>
>> -marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IngeniousPeoplesKnowledge
>> Marc Steinlin
>> marc.steinlin at i-p-k.ch
>> Skype: marcsteinlin
>>
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>>
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>> 'Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
>> can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.'
>> Margaret Mead
>>
>> On 21 May 2008, at 17:31 , Ted Ernst wrote:
>>
>>> I echo the voices saying that this is not only possible, it can be a
>>> good thing for the organization. I've tried this alone and also
>>> with
>>> a partner. I felt much better with a partner. With four of you, I
>>> would think you could all 4 be involved in breakouts without any
>>> trouble losing the space-holding that you're all doing. Can't
>>> wait to
>>> hear how it goes!
>>> peace,
>>> ted
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Michael Herman
>>> <michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:
>>>> i'm encouraged by and encouraging of this, mark. thanks for
>>>> sharing the
>>>> question.
>>>>
>>>> this, to me, is the next step of the "facilitator" learning to
>>>> disappear.
>>>> it seems to me that we'll ultimately have more and more open space
>>>> if/when/as people/leaders learn to do this from within, not
>>>> abandoning their
>>>> position as leader, but refining a pulsation between directing or
>>>> actively
>>>> guiding, on the one hand, and inviting and hosting on the other.
>>>>
>>>> i think your sense of several being able to share the role, or
>>>> support each
>>>> other in it, is helpful as well. but i would encourage a faster
>>>> pulsation
>>>> than daily. consider a second law: the law of two roles. or
>>>> maybe the law
>>>> of two minds. one mind inviting, hosting, holding and the other
>>>> mind still
>>>> nominally in charge, at the top, as director. somatically, this
>>>> can be
>>>> understood as pelvis (literally holding a space for everything
>>>> stacked on
>>>> top) and brain (seeing, visioning, choosing and directing). the
>>>> whole thing
>>>> mediated by heart in the middle. so you can find your way
>>>> between the two
>>>> roles you've identified by following heart, same as navigating
>>>> learning and
>>>> contributing as participant using law of two feet. so the
>>>> practice is to
>>>> refine your pulsation between the two, until they look and feel
>>>> like the
>>>> same "being".
>>>>
>>>> two cautions, or mileposts really, on the way...
>>>>
>>>> first, while you're pulsing back and forth, i find it's easy to
>>>> get lost.
>>>> yes, sometimes that means getting caught up in conversation,
>>>> letting
>>>> attention focus locally and forgetting about the larger space,
>>>> maybe
>>>> forgetting to ring the bells for evening news, for instance.
>>>> it's helpful
>>>> to have partners to remind you, or to ring them for you. in the
>>>> same way,
>>>> it is also possible to accidentally not be fully present in a
>>>> breakout
>>>> session, to be not fully local, and in that state, be offering
>>>> views of the
>>>> world that nobody else sees or can understand, cuz they don't
>>>> have this
>>>> larger view of space. the caution isn't about not sharing, but
>>>> about
>>>> recognizing that it's possible to do, possible to try to be in a
>>>> breakout
>>>> session but bringing experiences that are totally foreign to
>>>> those who are
>>>> apparently your colleagues and partners in the group. this not an
>>>> unfamiliar situation for leaders who regularly have more
>>>> information, a
>>>> wider view, that those in the "trenches" in an organizaiton.
>>>>
>>>> the second caution or noting here is less obvious, or peculiar to
>>>> straddling
>>>> the facilitation/participation divide in open space. i don't
>>>> think fr.
>>>> brian will mind if i tell a story about osonos in oz to
>>>> illustrate. he was
>>>> facilitator and host, but also a member of the community. he ran
>>>> a great
>>>> event, facilitated the whole thing "by the book". there was
>>>> somebody there,
>>>> however, who had not had firsthand experience with our approach.
>>>> she also
>>>> knew that brian was a priest. when she had a difficult time with
>>>> how things
>>>> were going in open space, and discomforts do naturally arise for
>>>> participants at various and random moments, her experience with
>>>> "priest"
>>>> allowed her to dump responsibility for difficulties on "how the
>>>> facilitator
>>>> is", what he's doing, how he's run things, etc. all of that
>>>> story she was
>>>> making was nonesense and after a long talk, she understood that her
>>>> difficulty came from what he wasn't and didn't do. it was the
>>>> openess of
>>>> the space, the press of responsibility and reality that was
>>>> making her
>>>> squirm. so it was the combination of *her* newness in open space
>>>> and her
>>>> (in this case rather thin) connection to brian that allowed her
>>>> to make up a
>>>> story that was getting in her way. so if you have colleagues new
>>>> to this
>>>> experience and you are still known as some sort of 'leader' or
>>>> just some
>>>> sort of guy to these folks, they might be confused by what is
>>>> open space,
>>>> what is you, what is you as leader and what you as facilitator,
>>>> and so on.
>>>> in the end, this is just a noticing that such confusion is
>>>> possible. there
>>>> is nothing to "do" about it, other than know it's there and
>>>> possible. if
>>>> you notice it along the way in your meeting, and maybe it'll be
>>>> there or
>>>> maybe it won't, then all the clarity you will bring to the
>>>> process from the
>>>> very beginning, is all you will or can or should bring to that
>>>> moment. just
>>>> be as clean in both roles as you can, and as clear about what is
>>>> you and
>>>> what is reality of org/world, and it's all still open space, or
>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>> good luck! i hope you'll find this is a great and fun practice,
>>>> and come
>>>> back and tell some of the internal story of how it goes for you...
>>>>
>>>> m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Jack Martin Leith
>>>> <jack at jackmartinleith.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Harrison, those are some of the wisest words I've ever read.
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/5/21 Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc – I have done what you are proposing (actively participate
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> gathering I facilitate) on multiple occasions and have never
>>>>>> encountered any
>>>>>> problems, and I rather think you will have a similar
>>>>>> experience. I would
>>>>>> never suggest that you try such a thing if it were your first
>>>>>> experience
>>>>>> facilitating an Open Space, but that is obviously not the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The art of Holding Space is of course critical and because it
>>>>>> is so
>>>>>> different from what most people have come to understand
>>>>>> "facilitation" to
>>>>>> mean – it is just too easy for the first time facilitator to
>>>>>> get sucked into
>>>>>> the action and forget to mind the store. But with experience,
>>>>>> at least in my
>>>>>> experience, you can keep that old intuitive sense alive and
>>>>>> functioning even
>>>>>> when actively engaged in a conversation of passionate concern
>>>>>> to you. As I
>>>>>> think about it, this is probably where we all hope to end up
>>>>>> anyhow. At some
>>>>>> level every conversation is an Open Space, and the more open
>>>>>> the space, the
>>>>>> better the conversation. And a really great conversation has a
>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>> (passionate) focus while still being open to everything else
>>>>>> that is going
>>>>>> on in the environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Approaching the same thoughts from a slightly different point
>>>>>> of view, I
>>>>>> find that when a group really begins to groove/cook/work –
>>>>>> space holding is
>>>>>> a community activity. In fact, enabling a group to reach a
>>>>>> point where it
>>>>>> will effectively "hold its own space," might well be the Holy
>>>>>> Grail of OST.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So anyhow, I would think that rather than a problem, you have a
>>>>>> real
>>>>>> opportunity to enhance your own capacity as facilitator by
>>>>>> moving into that
>>>>>> marvelously "zeny" place where you are simultaneously attached
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> non-attached – passionately concerned about an issue and always
>>>>>> free to move
>>>>>> beyond. And if you want to share this opportunity with your
>>>>>> colleagues
>>>>>> (different people opening space every day) that would work for
>>>>>> me, or at
>>>>>> least it always has.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have fun!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harrison
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harrison Owen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Drive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Potomac, Maryland 20854
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone 301-365-2093
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype hhowen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal website www.ho-image.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Marc
>>>>>> Steinlin (I-P-K)
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:18 AM
>>>>>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>>>>>> Subject: Going underground as facilitator
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear OS list members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been following this list for almost two years now and
>>>>>> have enjoyed
>>>>>> many of your conversations, learnings, ideas and inspirational
>>>>>> thoughts!
>>>>>> Many thanks for all that valuable insight and encouragement!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I myself over the last 2 years have organised/ facilitated
>>>>>> approx. 20 OS
>>>>>> all over the world (from Switzerland to South Africa, from
>>>>>> Indonesia to
>>>>>> Ethiopia), some as large as 70 participants (unfortunately I
>>>>>> never had the
>>>>>> opportunity for a larger group - would love to try that!), some
>>>>>> as small as
>>>>>> 5 persons - and I (as well as the participants!) enjoy it
>>>>>> greatly each time!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We, the KM4Dev (a global community of practice on Knowledge
>>>>>> Management
>>>>>> for Development; http://www.km4dev.org) have decided to run
>>>>>> this year's
>>>>>> annual meeting over 2.5 days entirely as an OS. We are about
>>>>>> four persons
>>>>>> who have already facilitated OS and are preparing the
>>>>>> facilitation of the
>>>>>> event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, all of the four of us are also greatly interested in
>>>>>> the topics
>>>>>> which will be discussed, it's certain that we also want to
>>>>>> propose topics
>>>>>> for groups to work on. Therefore my question:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible, that a facilitator opens the Open Space, but
>>>>>> once the
>>>>>> market place starts, she/ he will transform into a regular
>>>>>> participant and
>>>>>> mingle with the rest? I always attached great importance to
>>>>>> "holding space"
>>>>>> - I have never been doing anything actively, I have done my
>>>>>> best to get out
>>>>>> of the way, however I have been there, almost invisible, but
>>>>>> still...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have any experience or advice on whether the facilitator
>>>>>> can give
>>>>>> up her/ his role and become a normal participant until to the
>>>>>> closing
>>>>>> circle?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alternatively, do you have any thoughts about rotating
>>>>>> faciliators:
>>>>>> person A doing it on the first day, B on the second day, so
>>>>>> that we all have
>>>>>> the opportunity to participate in the discussions with our own
>>>>>> topics? I
>>>>>> guess none of us would want to limit her/ himself for the full
>>>>>> duration to
>>>>>> just holding space...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your experience is much appreciated!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -marc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IngeniousPeoplesKnowledge
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc Steinlin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> marc.steinlin at i-p-k.ch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype: marcsteinlin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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