Nutrient beginning

Harrison Owen hhowen at verizon.net
Thu Feb 14 15:37:18 PST 2008


Pat -- as is often the case -- you lead the pack. Especially on this
Valentines Day! Love after all makes the world go around -- and Open Space
as well. How could it be otherwise when space only becomes truly open and
productive when passion and responsibility show up? At least that is the
"opening part" -- and it comes full circle when "the right people show up."
"The Right people" are, of course, those who CARE to come. So when passion
and responsibility meet a bunch of folks who care to share, I would say love
was in bloom. Or something.

Ho

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Pat Black
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:42 AM
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Subject: Re: Nutrient beginning

Seems like goodness is a human cognitive notion and the universe is
more inclusive than that.  Seems like the most fundamental quality of
the universe and self organizing is relationship. I speculate that
even in the oneness there can be relationship.  I can't really
describe that at this moment but seems possible.  In the relationship
model all possible self organizing can occur even the ones we wouldn't
categorize as good.

 The notion of the beginning being love fits well with Huberto
Maturana's science/philosophy.  He says love is inherent to biological
entities and is inherent to the intelligence of life.  I suspect that
it is fundamental to self organizing or formation of all
relationships.  Maturana defines love as a class of behaviors through
which another entity or being becomes legitimate to self and in which
relations can occur.  Through this coupling or relationship the
maintenance and well-being of the other is fostered as its own
identity, and maintained as if for the self.  In other words we no
longer focus and promote the agenda that maintains our own well being
but put forth the agendas of our self and the self of the other with
equal force and intention and legitimacy.   Maturana states that it is
this phenomena of love that leads to complex emergence and organizing.
 He is a biologist so that is as far as he takes it but I believe that
all organization arises from a base or seed unit.  If you follow it
back to the beginning there has to be a seed fractal that the more
complex manifestation is based on.  So if it is love in biology it
must be love all the way back.

So within this definition open space works because it allows for love
as defined as "behaviors through which others arise as a legitimate
other in coexistence with oneself" to emerge.  It is in this way the
essence of love in its most basic form

Interview with Maturana:  "Love is the domain of behaviours through
which another arises as a legitimate other in coexistence with
oneself. Love is an emotion constituting a certain space in which
relations occur - no more, no less."

Pat black


On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net>
wrote:
> We seem to be saying the original idea of the universe is essentially
>  about goodness, that the emergence of the universe is not a neutral
>  proposition. It's goodness is intentional.  And inherent.  This may
>  explain why open space does not seem to be neutral, that it brings out
>  the best from so many people.
>
>  Yes?
>
>  Ralph Copleman
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