Nutrient beginning

[Michael M Pannwitz]

Dear Chris,
seems to me that the forces of selforganisation (not the universe)tend 
to support the chaos-order-chaos-order (not organisation which I 
consider a product of the devil)-chaos-order...etc. dynamic with the 
overall (see the present result)effect of "improvement". (Order in this 
way of thinking is not an improvement over chaos nor vice-versa). Order 
is neither good nor bad, nor is chaos...it is the dance or interaction 
of these forces that produces something cool.
I very much doubt that us is able to say what is good or bad. We do it 
all the time with some amazingly destructive effects coming out of what 
we call good or some really productive stuff out of what we might call bad.
I like the idea of juicy emergence being aware of plenty of dried up 
emergence (both being so in the eyes of the beholder).
In essence, it feels to me that the forces of selforganisation are 
devine and that all that constrains them (closing time or space or 
attempting to do so such as all organisations that I have experienced 
tend to do) are evil.
How is that for a simple world view?
Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Chris Corrigan wrote:
> So far, at least the way this experiment has run for the past 15+ billion
> years, THIS universe seems to value organization out of chaos.  Surely
> that's not the only possible kind of universe.  There may well be universe
> in which no emergent order happens, in which case, what is of value is that
> which maintains the universe's own nature.  It's just that in this one,
> order is good and therefore emergence is cool..
> 
> As creatures that have the ability to say that things are good or bad, we
> ourselves are products of this emergent order and so we might then value
> other emergent order with delight, as more things that look like us.
> 
> So juicy emergence may or may not be intentional, but it certainly feels
> like that, because we are exactly that, and when we see it around us, we
> give it a thumbs up.
> 
> y'think?
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> We seem to be saying the original idea of the universe is essentially
>> about goodness, that the emergence of the universe is not a neutral
>> proposition. It's goodness is intentional.  And inherent.  This may
>> explain why open space does not seem to be neutral, that it brings out
>> the best from so many people.
>>
>> Yes?
>>
>> Ralph Copleman
>>
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