Question - bilingual opening

Fri May 25 07:55:54 PDT 2007

My dear Harrison, we miss you here. When are you coming again?

Avner

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> Avner wrote: "we opened a space in Arabic and Hebrew in Jerusalem."
>
> Perhaps it is because I know you. Perhaps because I have been there. But
> whatever the reason, your note is very special to me. Thank you!
>
> Harrison
>
> Harrison Owen
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> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of avner
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:04 AM
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> And just to add to Michael Panwitz map of experiencing, about a year ago
> together with Fuad Abu Hamed, we opened a space in Arabic and Hebrew in
> Jerusalem. We were walking separately in the one circle, sometimes he was
> leading in Arabic and sometimes I did in Hebrew, we didn`t translate but 
> we
> kept the rythem. It was fun and well received
>
> Avner Haramati
> Jerusalem
>
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> From: "Corbaz Catherine" <c.corbaz at hispeed.ch>
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> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Question - bilingual opening
>
>
>> Hello, everybody,
>> Last year i did it in french with a German speaking colleague, who  also
>> facilitates OST. It went on well, maybe a bit long. With my  colleague,
>> the one who speaking walked , then stop,went at the rim of  the circle 
>> and
>
>> the other one went on. so everyone say it in its own  words, walking
>> rhythm, etc. We were not translating.
>>
>> I also have done it alternatively speaking french and German, which  was
>> conformable.
>>
>> Your idea to have to circles, seems to me interesting, however it  means
>> that they group speaking french should not be to small  regarding the
>> other group. Worth a try.
>>
>> I'll keep your idea or next opportunity.
>>
>> Catherine Corbaz
>> Facilitation & Forum ouvert
>> Roseaux 20
>> CH-2503 Bienne
>> +41 32 323 38 43
>> +41 79 794 38 55
>> http://www.c2f2.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 24 mai 07 à 14:28, Communications Esther Matte a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Yes, it was a great conference with Deb at Rococo. People there  were
>>> really impressed with OS. Hopefully, we'll gather a few people  for our
>>> FoFo in Val David this fall :-)
>>>
>>> Deb and I learned a lot, of course, as we do every time we  facilitate
>>> OS. One of the questions we played with was the  bilingual opening. We
>>> briefly considered doing the opening  together, each in one language, 
>>> but
>
>>> quickly realized we couldn't  walk the circle together. So we cut down 
>>> on
>
>>> the opening text so  that Deb could do it systematically in both
>>> languages (French and  English). And she did a great job! However, it 
>>> was
>
>>> still too long.  Later in the event, people started to ask that we do
>>> just English  since everyone there understood. But we were in Montreal
>>> after all,  so Deb maintained the French, and the organizers were happy
>>> about  that. They wanted to hold a bilingual event and they wanted the
>>> French to be present.
>>>
>>> Now that I think about it, I'm wondering if we could have done two
>>> circles just for the opening. To put people in the OS frame of mind  and
>>> spirit in their own language. Then, merge the 2 in 1 circle,  have them
>>> look around it, feel the energy and richness of  knowledge, experience,
>>> etc. and then start the agenda. For the  other circles, keep the
>>> bilingual format, but with bits of French  here and there instead of
>>> systematic translation.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to reading your thoughts :-))
>>>
>>> Esther
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>From  Fri May 25 11:11:10 2007
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Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:11:10 -0400
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Pat wrote: "I am in total agreement that we can work with or we can get in
the way of it and inhibit it.  I guess what I was saying that it requires no
work to sustain it."  

Pat -- I think what I have been learning is that while a self-organizing
system works (by definition) all by itself, and for sure we neither created
nor invented it, we still have a role to play which can be critical to the
ongoing function of the system. How you understand that role (whether it is
"work" or a privilege) is obviously a matter of personal perception. But
there is a role either in the narrow confines of an OS event, or in the
larger realm of any or all of our self-organizing systems. In a previous
note I listed what I believe to be the Eight Essentials: 1) Do your Home
work, 2) Issue an Invitation, 3) Come to the Circle, 4) Welcome Passion and
Responsibility, 5) Remember the Four Principles, 6) Observe The Law, 7) Keep
Grief Working, and 8) Formalize the System.

If we did none of the above, it is quite likely that the system would still
perform at some level. Even if we make what I take to be an egregious error
and attempt to substitute our understanding of structure and controls for
the emergent structure and control which the system has manifested, the
probability is that the system will continue, which is a testimony to the
natural endurance of a self-organizing system. And parenthetically, I would
argue that we can thank this natural endurance for the continued existence
of our systems (organizations, companies, countries) in spite of our
malfeasance.

Having said all of that, I still think there is much to be done, and many
skills to perfect -- most of which is not covered in the standard MBA
program :-)

Take for example the business of invitation. And here I am thinking not only
of the invitation for an Open Space Event, but the larger invitations to all
those who might care to join us in the creation or renewal of a major
project or business venture. A truly inviting invitation must be clear,
focused, attractive, and with sufficient specificity to get the "guests" to
the right place, time, and state of mind -- while still remaining open
enough to encourage high levels of creativity and innovation. I suppose that
some people can do all of this just naturally, but I think we all can do it
better with thought and practice. Might I say "work?"

And of course, an effective invitation is not simply a matter of words on a
piece of paper. The personhood of the "inviter" is also important. At some
deeper level I think we must be the invitation we seek to make. To make the
point obvious just think of what happens when the "words" say "Please come!"
but the body language says something quite different.

Harrison 

Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland   20854
Phone 301-365-2093
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison
Owen
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:42 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: FW: doing self-organization

From: Pat Black [mailto:patoitextiles at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:17 PM
To: hhowen at verizon.net
Subject: Re: doing self-organization

I am in total agreement that we can work with or we can get in the way
of it and inhibit the it.  I guess what I was saying that it requires
no work to sustain it.  We actually have to expend more energy to get
in the way of it and inhibit it.  I totally agree that OS is a way to
get out of the way of our it and let it flow.  I just think we are
actually conserving energy doing that rather than expending it.
pat

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>From  Fri May 25 11:33:56 2007
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Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:33:56 -0400
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Some little while back, one of our number (John Engle?) said something =
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around longer than others (perhaps too long? :-)). But what is even more
true, is that we are all on the edges of our respective learning curves. =

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Over the past several days, OSLIST seems to have exploded in some
interesting directions. I must to admit that I am having a great deal of =
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learning - but I can also imagine that the volume of traffic may be a =
little
overwhelming, and that some of the language may be a little obscure. It =
is a
fact of community life that jargon develops - we all take short cuts,
assuming that everybody understands what we are talking about. It may =
also
be assumed that we (or more specifically I) know what we are talking =
about.
That can be a very shaky assumption! So I beg you - when something seems
questionable - Question it! We will all learn.

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Harrison

Harrison Owen

7808 River Falls Drive

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Phone 301-365-2093

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true, is
that we are all on the edges of our respective learning curves. =

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Over the past several days, OSLIST seems to have exploded in some interesting
directions. I must to admit that I am having a great deal of fun =
learning –
but I can also imagine that the volume of traffic may be a little =
overwhelming,
and that some of the language may be a little obscure. It is a fact of
community life that jargon develops – we all take short cuts, =
assuming
that everybody understands what we are talking about. It may also be =
assumed
that we (or more specifically I) know what we are talking about. That =
can be a
very shaky assumption! So I beg you – when something seems =
questionable –
Question it! We will all learn.

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>From  Fri May 25 21:38:06 2007
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From: Jo Toepfer <jotoepfer at boscop.de>
Subject: Re: SV: Kiev here we come....
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Dear colleagues,

day two of WOSonOS XV is over. We just finished the production of the 
book of proceedings: 23 reports handed out of 30 issues that went up to 
the wall. It is ready for distribution tomorrow morning and after a 
short outlook and action planning session we will have the pleasure and 
joy of the conversation about the future of WOSonOS 2008 and maybe beyond.

The Kiev hosting team made a decision: The facilitator for this part 
will be somebody else. I am happy about this because: Work never harder 
than you have to!

Good night from Kiev
Jo
*****************************
Eva P Svensson schrieb:
> Yes isn't it!!! I mean an unreasonable time - eating breakfast and are soon
> ready to pick Thomas up in ½ hour! See you in Kiev!
> :o)
> Eva
> P.S I also packed something to the silent auction - don't know if there be
> any but if so - I have something with me for access queen - and of course
> hopefully and irresistible offer from Lisa ...
> 
> 
> Bästa hälsningar
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> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] För Gerard Muller
> Skickat: den 15 maj 2007 23:32
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> Ämne: Re: Kiev here we come....
> 
> Hello Thomas,
> 
> Got your mail while I'm packing - what an unreasonable time to start 
> the journey -
> See you tomorrow !
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gerard
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> 
> On May 22, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Thomas Herrmann wrote:
> 
>> ...bags are packed and I’m ready to go. Eva will pick me up at 5.30 
>> tomorrow morning to go to the airport.
>> And Liiiiiiisa, I´m bringing something really exciting, from you, to 
>> Kiev!
>>  
>> See you all in Kiev!
>> Regards
>>  
>>
>> Thomas Herrmann Phone +46 (0)709-98 97 81
>>  Open Space Consulting Fax +46 (0)300-713 89
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>>  434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
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