Greetings from Venezuela. OS for decisions?

[openspacekorea]

i'm as novice as you are. one of the great things about os technology i have
experienced is: as long as the four principles and the one law are put up
and rehearsed and you don't try to over facilitate and are open to people
within (participants) and without (environment) with plenty of good
intention for the people that create an ambience or aura of openess,
freedom, and acceptance of all diferrences... i will have thousand miles yet
to go on but it is what i trust power of good intentions exercised with
simple yet profound practice of open space (technology)... 

i tall you, the practice has a great durability!!! but...

it would never give me a freedom to play sloppy... the oinly thing i can
guarantee is i would better practicing it with better (not necesarrily more)
preparation and more practices... ;-)

i wish you all the best!

Love and Peace,

park

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Subject: Greetings from Venezuela. OS for decisions?

Hi all

I'm new to the list and kinda new to OS.

I'm originally from Toronto, Canada but am currently in Venezuela doing
research on the participatory democracy they are trying to achieve on the
local level.  You can read my story here
http://get.cooptools.ca/why_venezuela

I'd love to intruduce them to OS. I found the Spanish resources so that's a
good start. My main question is how OS could fit in when they are used to
open plenary debate followed by hand votes?  They need formal decisions for
the democratic governance of their communities but OS does not seem to
provide such clear conclusions.

Am I missing something?  Are there any good examples of how OS could slide
nicely into some kind of voting process?

I have my ideas but I'd first like to hear from other more experienced
folks.

hasta pronto

-jd

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>From  Sun Jun  3 20:06:17 2007
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Larry--

On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 17:21 -0400, Larry Peterson wrote:
> It is in the relationships between the selves and the patterns that
> emerge in those relationships that “organization” or pattern happens

This sounds suspiciously like Martin Buber! And even more like some
ideas that keep popping up for me recently--namely that persons/selves
are more like the threads between the knots in a (living) web, than the
knots themselves. The in-betweens (Buber's "narrow ridge?") is where the
action is. Buber would say that persons are born in relationship--we do
not exist as persons until someone notices and hears us. The
organization, the super-self, is born in the patterns of relationships
among the individuals.

Does this send us in any worthwhile directions?

				:- Doug.

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>From  Sun Jun  3 20:06:28 2007
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Chris--

This is a profound advance you have made in OS practice. I hope others
have duly noted it, and add it to their practice. It is on the order of
re-opening the space. From henceforth, the Four Patterns!

Thanks, Chris.

				:- Doug.

On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 20:57 -0700, Chris Corrigan wrote:
> I prefer to think of these micro-rules things as "patterns."  To me
> that better helps to think about them without using the proscriptive
> word "rules."
> Patterns on the other hand just are, and we notice them at increasing
> scales.

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