doing self-organization

Fri Jun 1 07:02:13 PDT 2007

Peggy wrote
>   I have
> been in an inquiry over the last number of months around what would it mean
> if we put INTERACTIONS at the center of evolutionary dynamics rather than
> the current approach which highlights a progression of how things evolve
> (e.g., evolution of galaxies, stars, planets, geology, species, cultures,
> etc.).
>
> There is a dynamism to a relational view that for me, gets lost when the
> focus is on fitness (a la Darwin.)  I think if we switch the foreground and
> background, moving the visible patterns of the path of evolution into the
> background for a while so that we can explore the entirely different set of
> questions and patterns that come out of paying attention to relationships
> and interactions, we may uncover some very useful insights for our work.

I couldn't agree more Peggy. Evolution of... whatever  is described as
if it was some objective and frozen reality, as if the description of
that evolution is concrete and a singular possibility not a
description made from the observation of the describer.   It is not
that I don't see any purpose that can come out of that scale.  I just
think that it is as easy to wander from the permeable edge of
possibility at that scale as it is at scale represented in our day to
day living. Both can be very small and closed if the patterns we
discover are used as a singular truth.  I think that if we focus on
the interactions at whatever scale keeps us at the permeable edge
where life happens.  My own predisposition is to explore the micro
world for understanding.  I started out in this world as a quilter.
It is the first transformative work I ever did.  In quilting you start
building from the center and if you make a 1/4 inch error in
representing your pattern it will become inches out square before you
get to the outside edge because they are so large.  I think that is a
metaphor that is true for large systems like galaxies too.  Anyway I
tend to see the quilt from the stitches that it is built from and tend
to look at the world through the living of a cell.

I am thinking about this switching of the foreground and background
that you suggested and realize I don't really know what the evolution
conversations are.  The problem for me  in a typical science way of
thinking is that evolution is viewed in the past tense as if we were
reading a book.  Those conversations feel less productive to me as I
can't get to the now from them, it doesn't get me to the edge of the
event.  But I think evolution is happening now.  The evolving body has
a present whether that is a galaxy, an immune system or a cell.

I find Maturana, Varela and some of their colleagues in thought to be
very helpful to be in finding language to talk about this.  Huberto
Maturana calls the most primary of interactions structured coupling.
Maturana defines structured coupling as recurrent interactions leading
to the structured congruence between 2 or more systems.  In other
words these entities trigger perturbations with their presence or
being which triggers responses from other entities like the
environment they are located.  I think so many of the other
conversations that have been woven together into this conversation are
present in the moment of this exchange.  This seems to me to be the
most foundational conversation that can be had.  The entities,
especially those we classify as living in a traditional western
science model have to have an identity to converse in this way and the
conversation itself discloses a pattern of identity and relationships.
 I am not a Maturana scholar but I think it would be fair to say that
in his work this is an example of languaging.  This is the languaging
that occurs in action and interaction.  It is not the talking about it
kind of talking.  It is a more primary communication, it is the
talking in. It is a communication through action.  This talking lays
down a pattern that becomes the history of the evolution of the
conversation.  There is a difference between the actual conversation
and the recording of the conversation.

Open space is for me nothing less than a brilliant expression of this
dance.  Every component of the process that we explore has a
counterpart on this bio logic level.  The regular conversation about
is less more in the introduction is explored in immune responses.
Immune responses to a stimulus happen at the lowest possible level so
that the body will survive the response.  The chat about what is micro
and what is macro.  I agree with Arturo that there is that micro and
macro pulse going on but am now wondering if there is still another
whole level of nano micro to explore.  There is the part of the
facilitator just holding space, of them being the space.  In the
current musings I am wondering if the holding of space is not the most
fundamental agent? In my experience it is the one thing when laking
that seems to insure systems failures.
>
> If interactions are a central focus, then understanding what draws us
> together and what tears us apart is key.  I see our work as smack dab in
> understanding the nature of interactions in social systems.
> For me, that is what community is when our hearts are open (and the love
> flows) and we feel our connection to each other and the larger whole.  When
> our hearts are closed (like when we are fearful), we are still connected, it
> is just that the connections are invisible.  And so most of us act out, as
> if we are alone.

Interactions do keep us at that primary languaging level.  Language is
not an abstraction at that level.  It is not about anything it is.  As
I think about this know I wonder whether one of the outcomes of
languaging at the secondary level doesn't keep us at responding to a
current stimulus with evolutionary history level response? I wonder
how the fear /love forces for interaction are in play here? I wonder
what implications that would have in how we do social justice work
which probably always has a evolutionary history component?

Lots to wonder about.
Pat

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Hardly a =93novice=94 -- Sounds to me like you went right to the core! =
The
stories you tell are touching, very touching. And they touch on a point =
that
has fascinated me for years =96 the apparent cultural neutrality of Open
Space. As near as I can determine, OS =93works=94 anywhere. I have =
looked long
and hard for some indication that this apparent universality is only
apparent, feeling that if we could find some genuine exception we might
learn a great deal about Open Space and possibly also the cultural
environment in which it failed to function. But every time I thought I =
had a
real live one =96 a total flop =96 it turned out on closer questioning =
that the
difficulty had nothing to do with Open Space. Sometimes folks were =
trying
what they called, =93a little bit of Open Space,=94 or same thing with =
different
words, =93modified Open Space.=94 Normal translation was that it really =
wasn=92t
open. In other situations it turned out that Open Space worked just as
advertised =96 but some folks didn=92t like the results.=20

=20

So thank you for your stories, and Welcome to OSLIST!  -- Even if you =
didn=92t
make my day with an indisputable tale of failure.

=20

Harrison=20

=20

Harrison Owen

7808 River Falls Drive

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Phone 301-365-2093

Skype hhowen

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-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
NigelSeys-Phillips
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:39 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: "rules" and self-organization

=20

Dear Helen,

=20

I am a total novice at this but a brief comment =85..

=20

Among my first few Open Space events were:

1)     An NGO in Cambodia where children previously working on the city
trash dump are being lovingly cared for and educated =96 children from
12-18yrs old

2)     A group of 200 street children in Mongolia whose most important =
issue
(at the end of a two day OS event) was being allowed to have ID cards =
=96 and
which event has I believe made a huge difference to their lives as the
findings have been adopted by the Government and has resulted in much =
closer
communication between the wonderful people who work with the children =
=96
children from 8-20yrs old

3)     A group of young people in Singapore =96 from 18-35yrs old=20

These three events were part of a wider series working to identify =
=93How we
create a better future=94

=20

4)     An international organization working on how best to communicate
across geographical boundaries =96 senior experienced executives

5)     A leading hi-tech equipment manufacturer bringing their people
together for a common goal =96 managers and team leaders from across the
business

=20

We had no chairs for the first three=85but we had a circle=85and nobody =
could
have had the slightest clue about what would happen

We had a room with chairs and a circle for the others=85and they had =
received
a reasonably well-written invitation=20

=20

My conclusion (possibly na=EFve) =96 it just flat out works! - despite =
these
totally disparate levels of experience. That=92s the link!

=20

And it works even if there is a lunatic foreign person walking round in
circles speaking a language they have no idea about (translated ably I =
must
say by my supporters for the events) in an environment they have =
absolutely
no experience of at all=85I can only imagine what the street children =
were
thinking!!

=20

May not help =96 but I remain totally in awe of the power of OS to =
deliver
results and just wish I had understood this years, and years, ago.

=20

All the best =96 and yes, it=92s hot here!!

Nigel

=20

=20

Nigel Seys-Phillips

Fulcrum Business Management Solutions

30 Mount Elizabeth

#04-34 Highpoint

Singapore 228519

Tel: +65 9639 2510

E-mail: nigel at fulcrum.com.sg

www.fulcrum.com.sg

=20

=20

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Helen
Bishop
Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2007 10:15 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: "rules" and self-organization

=20

I think it would be interesting to find out if there's a link between =
age
and range of experiences, and the way people would react to the room =
with
chairs in a circle and a theme on the wall.  I'm guessing that young =
adults
would react differently from people in their middle years, and from =
people
nearing the end of a career.  Part of the story, I think, links to the
experiences of people in the room, and how they acquired those =
experiences.
Facilitator/storytellers also embody things in terms of gender,
race/ethnicity, language(s) used, age, abilities, class, all those
interesting things that relate to the worldview of the people who =
respond to
an invitation.  Previous experiences with processes like Open Space =
would
matter, too.

Helen Bishop
Etowah, NC USA

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Hardly a “novice” -- =
Sounds to
me like you went right to the core! The stories you tell are touching, =
very
touching. And they touch on a point that has fascinated me for years =
–
the apparent cultural neutrality of Open Space. As near as I can =
determine, OS “works”
anywhere. I have looked long and hard for some indication that this =
apparent universality
is only apparent, feeling that if we could find some genuine exception =
we might
learn a great deal about Open Space and possibly also the cultural =
environment
in which it failed to function. But every time I thought I had a real =
live one –
a total flop – it turned out on closer questioning that the =
difficulty
had nothing to do with Open Space. Sometimes folks were trying what they
called, “a little bit of Open Space,” or same thing with =
different
words, “modified Open Space.” Normal translation was that it =
really
wasn’t open. In other situations it turned out that Open Space =
worked
just as advertised – but some folks didn’t like the results. =

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>

So thank you for your stories, and =
Welcome
to OSLIST! =A0-- Even if you didn’t =
make my day
with an indisputable tale of failure.

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
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style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>NigelSeys-Phillips<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 01, =
2007 9:39
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
"rules" and
self-organization</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear =
Helen,</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am a total =
novice at
this but a brief comment …..</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
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nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Among my first =
few Open
Space events were:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>1)<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>An NGO in =
Cambodia where
children previously working on the city trash dump are being lovingly =
cared for
and educated – children from 12-18yrs old</span></font></p>

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style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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</span></font></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A group of 200 =
street
children in Mongolia whose most important issue (at the end of a two day =
OS
event) was being allowed to have ID cards – and which event has I =
believe
made a huge difference to their lives as the findings have been adopted =
by the
Government and has resulted in much closer communication between the =
wonderful
people who work with the children – children from 8-20yrs =
old</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>3)<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A group of young =
people
in Singapore – from 18-35yrs old </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>These three =
events were
part of a wider series working to identify “How we create a better
future”</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>4)<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>An international
organization working on how best to communicate across geographical =
boundaries
– senior experienced executives</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>5)<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>    
</span></font></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A leading =
hi-tech
equipment manufacturer bringing their people together for a common goal =
–
managers and team leaders from across the business</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We had no chairs =
for the
first three…but we had a circle…and nobody could have had =
the
slightest clue about what would happen</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We had a room =
with chairs
and a circle for the others…and they had received a reasonably =
well-written
invitation </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>

My conclusion =
(possibly
na=EFve) – it just flat out =
works! -
despite these totally disparate levels of experience. That’s the =
link!

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And it works =
even if
there is a lunatic foreign person walking round in circles speaking a =
language
they have no idea about (translated ably I must say by my supporters for =
the
events) in an environment they have absolutely no experience of at =
all…I
can only imagine what the street children were =
thinking!!</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>May not help =
– but
I remain totally in awe of the power of OS to deliver results and just =
wish I
had understood this years, and years, ago.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All the best =
– and
yes, it’s hot here!!</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nigel</span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo=
nt></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nigel =
Seys-Phillips</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Fulcrum Business
Management Solutions</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>30 Mount =
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
  color:navy'>Elizabeth</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>#04-34 =
Highpoint</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Singapore =
228519</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tel: +65 9639 =
2510</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>E-mail: <a
href=3D"mailto:nigel at fulcrum.com.sg">nigel at fulcrum.com.sg</a></span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>www.fulcrum.com.s=
g</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy
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style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Helen Bishop<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 30 May =
2007 10:15
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
"rules" and
self-organization</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;color:black'>I
think it would be interesting to find out if there's a link between age =
and
range of experiences, and the way people would react to the room with =
chairs in
a circle and a theme on the wall.  I'm guessing that young adults =
would
react differently from people in their middle years, and from people =
nearing
the end of a career.  Part of the story, I think, links to the =
experiences
of people in the room, and how they acquired those experiences.  =
Facilitator/storytellers
also embody things in terms of gender, race/ethnicity, language(s) used, =
age,
abilities, class, all those interesting things that relate to the =
worldview of
the people who respond to an invitation.  Previous experiences with
processes like Open Space would matter, too.<br>
<br>
Helen Bishop<br>
Etowah, NC USA</span></font><font face=3DArial FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span
style=3D'font-family:Arial'><br>
<br>
<br>
**************************************<br>
See what's free at http://www.aol.com.</span></font></p>

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