Facilitator must be part of the conversations

Tue Jul 31 02:06:58 PDT 2007

Doug,

I'm a theatre director and over the last three years I've facilitated  
some exciting open space events about theatre. I wrote the  
invitations, I facilitated and I sometimes joined in discussions and  
sometimes didn't. It changes but they are all possible.

Phelimx

On 31 Jul 2007, at 08:21, kerry napuk wrote:

> Doug
>
> I agree with Elwin.
>
> The theme is owned by the sponsor and participants.  It is not the  
> facilitator's theme.
>
> Why then should s/he interfere in the process by adding their two  
> cents?
>
> The facilitator's role is to open and hold space, no thing more.
>
> Regards
>
> Kerry
> Edinburgh
> www.openfutures.com
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>From  Tue Jul 31 10:17:45 2007
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<P><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Phelim</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">It sounds to me as if you handled the sp=
ace invader perfectly. </SPAN></P>
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<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><EM>What i have noticed is that when people=
 have been <BR>
angry about the way the event is happening they got angry because <BR>
they had felt patronised by something that seems so simple. Also they <BR>
were angry that I mentioned "passion and responsibilty" almost as if <BR>
I might be suggesting they weren't about the issue.<BR>
</EM><BR>
When I have sensed people might be offended in the way you suggest, by my e=
mphasis on passion and responsibility,  then I have taken care to say =
a little more to explain why passion and responsibility together are import=
ant. Also when I have have gleaned some scepticism about the simplicit=
y of the process then I  say explicitly something in my introduction a=
bout the simplicity of the processs and its power...</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: #800080">Cliodhna </SPAN></P>
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>From  Tue Jul 31 10:26:10 2007
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On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 08:21 +0100, kerry napuk wrote:
> Why then should s/he interfere

Kerry--

Perhaps it is not interfering. Martin Buber says we must not only hear
the other, but face him or her with our whole, real self. To be present
may demand our presence....

The observer is always part of the system she or he is observing. We
cannot stand outside it.

So my question can be read, too, as: When are we not interfering to be
part of the conversation?

				:- Doug.

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>From  Tue Jul 31 11:23:49 2007
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Hi all--

The difficulty may be that we see ourselves as influencing, actually
over-influencing, the results, for we might not be there to help with
the implementation of what we have influenced. Our passion and our
responsibility will separate from the group after the event; the group
will be left with a potentially empty bag if the results do not arise
from them. We have trouble separating ourselves as facilitators from the
expert from and to afar, who sweeps in, does the audience and leaves. We
know that if people do it themselves, they can continue, but if done to,
they will likely not continue. 

Still...there is a withholding of our living essence, the weaving
between ourselves and them, which might have given them some threads to
weave a richer tapestry. For we are a part of the human dynamic, and our
withholding also influences....

				:- Doug.

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