Image Re: hierarchy...was report from the field

Kaliya Hamlin kaliya at mac.com
Sat Jul 14 14:58:17 PDT 2007


Here is a link to the graphic that is in this e-mail...
http://www.kaliyasblogs.net/images/OpenSource.tiff

On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Kaliya Hamlin wrote:

> Follow up.
>
> I was asked what does 'the right to fork' mean.
> Perhaps a step back and understanding what they are forking  
> (dividing in two copies and code base diverges).
>
> I am not a coder - I have worked with communities and people who do  
> code for several years know. My description is somewhat of a  
> simplification but accurate enough for the purposes here.
>
>
>
>
> Open Source Code means that the  Source Code is distributed with  
> the binary (the part that makes the computer go) When you purchase  
> proprietary software - you only get the binary (you don't get to  
> see the 'human readable' code that if you could read it - you could  
> change and improve it')
>
> So when a [source] code base forks it means that code 'splits' and  
> two different versions evolve out of one ... like two branches of a  
> tree that have the same trunk.
>
> Forking although a 'right' is NOT encouraged and can be very  
> disruptive .... it is better to have one community of 1000 people  
> working on one code base then two communities of 500 working on two  
> separate code bases...
>
> The right to Fork creates a powerful dynamic tension that alows for  
> cohesion but also requires the leaders in a community strive for  
> inclusivity and doing the right thing for the whole. It forces  
> responsiveness amongst the community 'leader(s)' (who are that  
> because of their aquisition of community respect and their merit in  
> coding and decision making (code either works or it doesn't, it is  
> either fast or it is not - there are metrics that merrit is judged  
> by that are not just subjective).
>
> This is a good article on the meatball wiki about what the Right to  
> Fork is - it also puts the role of benevolent dictator in context.
> http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?RightToFork
>
> So you can see why I say it is similar philosophically but quite  
> different practically.
>
> Open Standards ARE different then Open Source... mainly because  
> they are about adoption and interoperability.
>  They are more like rail road tracks having the same gauge and the  
> electric plugs on our walls all having the same outlet (at least  
> with in a country (or having the same voltage (at least within a  
> continent). Or Containers for container-ships beings the same (few)  
> standard size(s)  [packets of information that travel on the  
> interent are all standardized - you could think of containers on  
> containterships as "physical packets" that contain goods while  
> packets on the internet contain information]
>
> In the Technical world innovating in this area involved a lot of  
> conversations with a lot of players and getting to consenses and  
> implementation....
>
> FORKING doesn't work in Open Standards - you can't just build your  
> own electric system with your own voltage and plug... You have to  
> figure out how to cooperate on the base infrastructure stuff and  
> then innovate on top of that.   Standards evolve....new ones emerge  
> as technology changes....Here are some technical standards   
> outlined - http://www.openstandards.net/viewOSnet3C.jsp
>
> Guess what... I have found that Open Space Technology is a good  
> method to getting the issues surfaced - concerns addressed and the  
> social 'lubrication' needed to get to agreements that mean the  
> adoption of Open Standards.
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Kaliya Hamlin wrote:
>
>> Sigh,
>>   Human communities do this for good reason.
>>  It works.
>>   Everyone is not 'equal'  in the sense that we all have different  
>> experience and different knowledge.  Some people are naturally  
>> skilled at holding space and others well they haven't learned it  
>> yet.    Newbies to a practice, technique or skill and having an  
>> arrogance of 'sameness' with practitioners who have been doing it  
>> for years.
>>
>> Some how the 'groovy' green people (in the Spiral Dynamics sense)  
>> have this belief their is no expertise, no years of skill  
>> development, no level of maturity that comes from doing something  
>> a long time and that the respect, knowledge and reputation that  
>> someone might have because of this legitimate experience some how  
>> 'wreaks of "hierarchy"' and that all hierarchy is BAD.
>>
>> There are important issues in our society around the abuse of  
>> 'rank' and having power over people because of positional  
>> authority that is abused...these are real issues. Robert Fuller  
>> has spent a lot of time thinking about this issue and has two  
>> books about the subject.  http://www.breakingranks.net/  He does  
>> not say that 'rank' and hierarchy are bad he says abuse within  
>> this paradigm is bad.
>>
>> I work a lot in Open Source and Open Standards technical  
>> communities.  It took me a while to get it but these 'open'  
>> communities function on the scale they do because of repetitional  
>> meritocratic hierarchy.  To read more on the functioning of open  
>> source communities read - Open Sources, OPen Sources 2.0 and The  
>> Success of Open Source.
>>
>> Open Space Technology is fundamentally different then these to  
>> community practices - it is about taking the agenda away from the  
>> 'organizer' how ever the organizer of the event still creates the  
>> invitation and invites the people and creates the space that is  
>> possible for good things to happen.   The Law of two feet is like  
>> the right to fork... there are similarities at a philosophical  
>> level...at a practical level... OST is not trying to build an  
>> operating system or have 100,000 all collaborate on the same thing  
>> - it doesn't 'need' the kind of hierarchy that technical  
>> communities do.
>>
>> Having eldership and respect for experience is not a bad thing. If  
>> this must be called 'heirarchy' so be it...I think it is legitmate  
>> - and perhaps needs a different name.
>>
>>  If it means new voices are shut out. Well perhaps some reflection  
>> on the culture that makes people think that - perhaps some  
>> introspection is needed to address that problem. They are not the  
>> same problem.
>>
>> =kaliya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Raffi Aftandelian wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings friends and colleagues--
>>>
>>> Harrison you wrote:
>>>
>>> "The other day I got a note which said in part, "I was surprised to
>>> find out that there was a hierarchy in the OST community and  
>>> everyone having
>>> a specific place to hold, voices are not equal and politics  
>>> prevails in
>>> certain circuits  Just the same old same old... I'm not sure this  
>>> is what
>>> you envisioned with OST." I have no idea what the specific  
>>> circumstances
>>> were, and less interest in finding out. But presuming that we  
>>> have the
>>> creeping tentacles of elitism sneaking in - a good dose of the  
>>> Law of Two
>>> Feet and a clear recognition of the Universal License of Open Space
>>> (everybody has one by birth) should do the trick. Or something."
>>>
>>> I would love to hear more from the person who wrote about  
>>> hierarchy in the
>>> OST community. What is meant by "hierarchy" here?
>>>
>>> Isn't there hierarchy everywhere? Is it a bad thing? The question  
>>> is what
>>> kind of hierarchy do we have in the OST community? Is it a  
>>> hierarchy that
>>> feeds us, strengthens us? And how do we choose to engage with it  
>>> as a
>>> community? Do we create the spaces to talk about the power  
>>> differentials
>>> within our practitioner community in a way that, well, builds  
>>> more capacity
>>> within us?
>>>
>>> Quakers, for example, acknowledge that voices are not equal  
>>> within the life
>>> of a Monthly Meeting. They have the concept of "weightiness" or a  
>>> "weighty
>>> Friend."  In other words, these are the elders within the Quaker  
>>> world.
>>>
>>> And doesn't the OST world have its elders and sages?
>>>
>>> I, too, have heard (and thought) that the OST community is the "same
>>> old...," - heck, some of that "same oldness" shows up on the list  
>>> from time
>>> to time- *and* I do not know of a more generous, welcoming,  
>>> inspiring
>>> facilitation community. We either choose to engage with the OST  
>>> community as
>>> it is, or...well exercise the law of two feet.
>>>
>>>
>>> Raffi
>>>
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