OSONOS -- The Chaordic Dance Continues!

[yana at demenko.info]

Raffi,

Generation gap?  I already have heard about this issue from you on  
the OSonOS in Moscow...

What does it mean to you? And how to recognize "elders" and  
"youngsters"? "Those ones who saw Santa" and "those ones who didn't"?  
I don't feel so...

And this topic with talking stick ... It is just a piece of wood.  
Yes, well designed piece ... but just a piece of wood! We can't put  
our responsibility on it. Don't you think so?

Anyway, if you feel passion for this issue, you are welcome to Kyiv  
on OSonOS:)

Yours,
Yana

p.s. Currently listening to Armenian duduk - such a peaceful music!


Yana Demenko
[e-mail] yana at demenko.info
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On Jan 23, 2007, at 12:52 AM, Raffi Aftandelian wrote:

> Dear fellow spaceholders,
>
> Much of this discussion about the evolution of the OSonOS is about  
> how we
> are developing as a community/organization, our relationship to our  
> own
> traditions, and how we develop new ones.
>
> I have attended three international OSonOS, in 2004, in 2005, and co-
> hosted the last one. And have been on this list since 2001. From  
> where I
> sit i see a second generation of spaceholders coming of age ("G2").  
> Might
> there also be a G1/G2 divide or gap? Don't know. I do notice that the
> discussion of the evolution of the OS on OS seems to be happening  
> at the
> time of a significant evolution of the OS on OS, most specifically as
> represented by the OS on OS by the Sea, which maybe I'll be able to  
> make
> this year.
>
> Why is this relevant? I am not entirely sure but I do know that it is
> asking to be said.
>
> I *do* want to add another question to further complicate the mix. I
> implied in Moscow that I was not sure of the place the talking  
> stick that
> Chris Corrigan so generously gave to the world OS community/ 
> organization
> in the OSonOS. At each OSonOS I have noticed just how unwieldy or  
> awkward
> it has been for people to hold it. Even when we have been given  
> guidelines
> on how to hold it, what it means, etc., people have not observed it  
> and
> treated it appropriately. The end of the stick has been pointed up, at
> other people. Other examples galore.
>
> The talking stick and the OSonOS -- it has felt like an awkward fit.
>
> I learned that I probably misused the stick in Moscow...and I'd  
> been to
> two OSonOS'es previous. Am I just a hopeless case? Talking stick  
> learning
> disabled as it were?
>
> Or...might it be time to introduce something else as a speaking  
> object at
> the next OSonOS? Perhaps the Vancouver talking stick could stay in the
> middle of the circle as a way of honoring our Elders, but not as a
> speaking object? And maybe the hosts at future OSonOS'es could use  
> a local
> object, something found near the grounds of the OSonOS location?
>
> Jana, your thoughts?
>
> warmly and in appreciation,
> raffi
>
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