an interesting meeting in Berlin]

Michael M Pannwitz mmpanne at boscop.de
Mon Sep 4 08:05:19 PDT 2006


believe it or not
in ost-meetings
we all is experts
mmp

Funda Oral wrote:
> Harrison, i love you too,
>  
> Michael, i agree with you and with Harrison,
>  
> But, the show must go on!
>  
> I wish this meeting was an OS meeting whether with or without experts.
>  
> Funda
>  
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Harrison Owen <mailto:hhowen at adelphia.net>
>     *To:* OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>     <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>     *Sent:* Monday, September 04, 2006 3:44 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin]
> 
>     Thanks to my increasing myopia (doubtless due to sins past and
>     present) I did in fact miss the URL. small print! is the root of all
>     evil!! But I love you Funda!!!
>      
>     And Michael -- you captured my feeling exactly when it come to
>     events like this. Doubtless it will be a marvelous show, but as an
>     advance of real knowledge, and more importantly the application of
>     that knowledge, I rather think it will come up short. The "Expert
>     Syndrome" one more time. Old joke about the definition of "expert"
>     -- "a has been under pressure." Some truth there, I think.
>      
>     Harrison
>      
>     Harrison Owen
>     7808 River Falls Dr.
>     Potomac, MD  20854
>     USA
>     301-365-2093
>     207-763-3261 (summer)
>     website www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>     Personal Website www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
> 
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Michael M Pannwitz <mailto:mmpanne at boscop.de>
>         *To:* OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>         <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>         *Sent:* Monday, September 04, 2006 4:12 AM
>         *Subject:* [Fwd: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin]
> 
>         Dear list,
>         yesterday, I did send the note below to ho who had not
>         discovered the
>         link and entered my esteemed opinion on this project.
>         Its in the local Berlin paper again today with a long report on
>         how they
>         are creating two setups, one indoor for rain and one outdoor for
>         sunny
>         weather...its quite a huge table coated with a very fancy and
>         expensive
>         material that can also be written on...they have already
>         approached the
>         Guinness Book of World Records for the largest round table
>         ever...and I
>         wouldnt be surprised if they cut it up in pieces and auction it
>         off as
>         they did with other local objects like the Berlin Wall....and, of
>         course, there is going to be a video where you can see all of them
>         simultaneously answering questions...
> 
>         To me this is a good example for the paradigm "Experts solve
>         Problems"
>         (Taylor, Scientific management)which dominated the art between
>         1900 and
>         1950, followed by a phase of "Everybody solves Problems" (Group
>         Problem
>         Solving, Lewin etc.) which in recent years, under the influence of
>         Systems Thinking, has been changing since 1965 into "Experts
>         improve
>         whole systems" and, more recently, with the development of
>         approaches
>         such as Open Space, Future Search, etc., into "Everybody
>         improves whole
>         systems".
>         I dont think that an approach long shown to be useless for the
>         challenges we are facing now improves through technology that
>         makes it
>         available instantaneously, worldwide...
>         Still, its a fascinating show that definitely is marketed in an
>         effective mode...
>         So, for me its back to practicing Open Space Technology!
>         Greetings from Berlin
>         mmp
> 
> 
> 
>         -------- Original Message --------
>         Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin
>         Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:18:25 +0200
>         From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.de
>         <mailto:mmpanne at boscop.de>>
>         To: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>>
>         References: <00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0 at fundao0ngpntt7
>         <mailto:00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0 at fundao0ngpntt7>>
>         <002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018 at holaptop
>         <mailto:002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018 at holaptop>>
> 
>         click on the link she supplied, its a little hard to see for old
>         men like me
>         it was in the local Berlin paper today and I consider it to be a
>         fabulous piece of bullshit,
>         especially since they definitely forgot to include THIS
>         great mind
>         Tables have been out for some time...
>         Greetings from Berlin
>         mmp
> 
>         Harrison Owen wrote:
>          > OK Funda. You are indeed the "mystery woman." No more
>         mysterious than
>          > now. . . What interesting meeting in Berlin????
>          > 
>          > ho
>          > Harrison Owen
>          > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>          > Potomac, MD  20854
>          > USA
>          > 301-365-2093
>          > 207-763-3261 (summer)
>          > website www.openspaceworld.com
>         <http://www.openspaceworld.com> <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>          > Personal Website www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
>         <http://www.ho-image.com>
>          >
>          >     ----- Original Message -----
>          >     *From:* Funda Oral <mailto:fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
>          >     *To:* OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>         <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>          >     <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>          >     *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2006 4:21 PM
>          >     *Subject:* an interesting meeting in Berlin
>          >
>          >     http://www.droppingknowledge.org/
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