Granular day
Raffi Aftandelian
raffi at bk.ru
Thu May 25 13:09:05 PDT 2006
Dear Audrey and fellow space-holders,
Fellow local space holder Galina Tsarkova recently
described the experience of OST as exhibiting a quality of
granularity.
She said it once, and since then the word has stuck with me. And I
find the notion and saying the word, well, addictive. It just
sounds...so granular. There's so much graininess and energy in the
word. Those consonants jam-packed with potential, more than you shake
your temple bells at: gggg rrrrr nnnnn.
Yum!
I understand this to mean that OS so expands our now that we
experience the future in the present, the potential becomes actual,
solid, the air changes, becomes denser, becomes grainy. Make sense?
Wishing you more granularity! I'm off to TARDIS. Where do you
wanna go today? vroooom!
raffi
p.s. might tossing about packets of granulated sugar be integrated
into the ost meeting opening ritual? Might do the job if you don't
have temple bells handy.
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:28:18 -0400
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How can we most wonderfully be the dance? We can be whole -- both being =
and
dancing. Open space is the essence of sacred feminine, the dance that =
fills
it is the essence of sacred masculine.=20
Carol
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On 5/25/06, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:=20
"So if Open Space is a dance, where does that take us?"
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A delightfully masculine question, Harrison! Where does anything take =
us?
The counterpart feminine question is, "How can we most wonderfully be =
the
dance?"
=20
Carol
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Works for me: "How can we most wonderfully be the dance?"
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Subject: Re: The Da Vinci Connection -- Open Space and the Feminine
=20
"So if Open Space is a dance, where does that take us?"
=20
A delightfully masculine question, Harrison! Where does anything take =
us?
The counterpart feminine question is, "How can we most wonderfully be =
the
dance?"
Carol
=20
On 5/25/06, Harrison Owen < hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:=20
I think it is fair to say that the female/male (feminine/masculine) =
dance
has been something of a marathon. Occasionally it really flows, as any =
good=20
dance/dancers might hope for. For myself, I remember those occasions as
extraordinary moments. But then I love to dance. At other times there =
are a
lot of feet that get stepped. And sometimes, one partner or the other =
simply
gets swept off the floor and/or chooses to retire -- which makes the =
dance
something of an oddity, not to say virtually impossible.
So if Open Space is a dance, where does that take us?
Harrison
Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland 20854
Phone 301-365-2093
Skype hhowen
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Subject: The Da Vinci Connection -- Open Space and the Feminine
As some of my favorite books are being offered for reading I would like=20
to add another. Layne Remonds's When The Woman Were Drummers has some=20
interesting insights about the change in balance. According to Redmond
there was also a corresponding change in the relationship to the drum's=20
purpose and who played it. There are many vase pictures of woman
holding round disk objects. Before woman had access to the acadamy most
male archeologists discribed those disks as cakes. Gimbutus says they
are drums. Redmond is a frame drummer herself and I think, quite a
scholar on the history of the frame drum. I seem to remember some
issues between Moses and his sister Miriam before leaving Eygpt. I am
no Old Testament scholar but seem to remember that Miriam was a drummer=20
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was the people that insisted Miriam be included. That would at least
date this struggle in the balance between the masculine and feminine to=20
that time.
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Hiltner
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: The Da Vinci
Connection -- Open Space and the Feminine</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>How can we most wonderfully <em><i><font face=3D"Times New =
Roman">be</font></i></em>
the dance? We can be whole -- both being and dancing. Open space is the =
essence
of sacred feminine, the dance that fills it is the essence of sacred =
masculine.
</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Carol<br>
</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dgmailquote><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On </span></font></span><span
class=3Dgmailquote>5/25/06</span><span class=3Dgmailquote>, <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Harrison Owen</span></b> <<a
href=3D"mailto:hhowen at verizon.net">hhowen at verizon.net</a>> =
wrote:</span> </p>
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<div vlink=3Dblue link=3Dblue>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>"So if Open Space is a dance, where does =
that
take us?"</span></font></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>A delightfully masculine question, =
</span></font>Harrison!
Where does anything take us? The counterpart feminine question is, =
"How
can we most wonderfully <em><i><font face=3D"Times New =
Roman">be</font></i></em>
the dance?"</p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Carol</span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dred =
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</span></font>"How
can we most wonderfully <em><i><font face=3D"Times New Roman"> =
be</font></i></em>
the dance?"</p>
<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
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Connection -- Open Space and the Feminine</span></font></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>"So if Open Space is a dance, where does =
that
take us?"</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>A delightfully masculine question, =
</span></font>Harrison!
Where does anything take us? The counterpart feminine question is, =
"How
can we most wonderfully <em><i><font face=3D"Times New =
Roman">be</font></i></em>
the dance?"</p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Carol<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On </span></font>5/25/06, <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Harrison Owen</span></b> < <a =
href=3D"mailto:hhowen at verizon.net"
target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return =
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extraordinary moments. But then I love to dance. At other times there =
are a<br>
lot of feet that get stepped. And sometimes, one partner or the other =
simply <br>
gets swept off the floor and/or chooses to retire -- which makes the =
dance<br>
something of an oddity, not to say virtually impossible.<br>
<br>
So if Open Space is a dance, where does that take us?<br>
<br>
</span></font>Harrison<br>
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Subject: The Da Vinci Connection -- Open Space and the Feminine<br>
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As some of my favorite books are being offered for reading I would like =
<br>
to add another. Layne Remonds's When The Woman Were Drummers =
has
some <br>
interesting insights about the change in balance. According =
to Redmond<br>
there was also a corresponding change in the relationship to the drum's =
<br>
purpose and who played it. There are many vase pictures of =
woman<br>
holding round disk objects. Before woman had access to the =
acadamy
most<br>
male archeologists discribed those disks as cakes. Gimbutus =
says
they<br>
are drums. Redmond is a frame drummer herself and I think, =
quite a<br>
scholar on the history of the frame drum. I seem to remember =
some<br>
issues between Moses and his sister Miriam before leaving =
Eygpt. I
am<br>
no Old Testament scholar but seem to remember that Miriam was a drummer =
<br>
and there were some power struggles between her and Moses. I =
think
it <br>
was the people that insisted Miriam be included. That would =
at least<br>
date this struggle in the balance between the masculine and feminine to =
<br>
that time.<br>
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>From Thu May 25 16:28:55 2006
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:28:55 -0400
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To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
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Subject: FW: The Da Vinci Connection -- Open Space and the Feminine
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Subject: RE: The Da Vinci Connection -- Open Space and the Feminine
=20
And another iteration:
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How can we most simply awaken to the dance we already are?
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W;-)
=20
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Harrison
Owen
Sent: May 25, 2006 10:00 AM
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"So if Open Space is a dance, where does that take us?"
=20
A delightfully masculine question, Harrison! Where does anything take =
us?
The counterpart feminine question is, "How can we most wonderfully be =
the
dance?"
=20
Carol
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Works for me: "How can we most wonderfully be the dance?"
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"So if Open Space is a dance, where does that take us?"
=20
A delightfully masculine question, Harrison! Where does anything take =
us?
The counterpart feminine question is, "How can we most wonderfully be =
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dance?"
Carol
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I think it is fair to say that the female/male (feminine/masculine) =
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are a
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simply
gets swept off the floor and/or chooses to retire -- which makes the =
dance
something of an oddity, not to say virtually impossible.
So if Open Space is a dance, where does that take us?
Harrison
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7808 River Falls Drive
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Farmer-O'Neil [mailto:wendy at xe.net] <br>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: The Da Vinci
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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Where does anything take us? The counterpart feminine question is, =
"How
can we most wonderfully <em><i><font face=3D"Times New =
Roman">be</font></i></em>
the dance?"</p>
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Carol</span></font></p>
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*****</span></font></p>
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color=3Dred face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Works for me: =
</span></font>"How
can we most wonderfully <em><i><font face=3D"Times New =
Roman">be</font></i></em>
the dance?"</p>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Carol Hiltner
[mailto:carol.hiltner at gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, May
25, 2006</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>12:25 =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> =
OSLIST at listserv.boisestate.edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: The Da Vinci
Connection -- Open Space and the Feminine</span></font></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>"So if Open Space is a dance, where does =
that
take us?"</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>A delightfully masculine question, =
</span></font>Harrison!
Where does anything take us? The counterpart feminine question is, =
"How
can we most wonderfully <em><i><font face=3D"Times New =
Roman">be</font></i></em>
the dance?"</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Carol<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
class=3Dgmailquote><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On =
</span></font></span><span class=3Dgmailquote>5/25/06</span><span =
class=3Dgmailquote>, <b><span style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>Harrison Owen</span></b> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:hhowen at verizon.net">hhowen at verizon.net</a>>
wrote:</span> </p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I think it is fair to say that the =
female/male
(feminine/masculine) dance<br>
has been something of a marathon. Occasionally it really flows, as any =
good <br>
dance/dancers might hope for. For myself, I remember those occasions =
as<br>
extraordinary moments. But then I love to dance. At other times there =
are a<br>
lot of feet that get stepped. And sometimes, one partner or the other =
simply <br>
gets swept off the floor and/or chooses to retire -- which makes the =
dance<br>
something of an oddity, not to say virtually impossible.<br>
<br>
So if Open Space is a dance, where does that take us?<br>
<br>
</span></font>Harrison<br>
<br>
Harrison Owen<br>
7808 River Falls Drive<br>
Potomac, Maryland 20854<br>
Phone 301-365-2093<br>
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On Behalf Of Pat Black <br>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:05 AM<br>
To: <a =
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Subject: The Da Vinci Connection -- Open Space and the Feminine<br>
<br>
As some of my favorite books are being offered for reading I would like =
<br>
to add another. Layne Remonds's When The Woman Were Drummers =
has
some<br>
interesting insights about the change in balance. According =
to Redmond<br>
there was also a corresponding change in the relationship to the drum's =
<br>
purpose and who played it. There are many vase pictures of =
woman<br>
holding round disk objects. Before woman had access to the =
acadamy
most<br>
male archeologists discribed those disks as cakes. Gimbutus =
says
they<br>
are drums. Redmond is a frame drummer herself and I think, =
quite a<br>
scholar on the history of the frame drum. I seem to remember =
some<br>
issues between Moses and his sister Miriam before leaving =
Eygpt. I
am<br>
no Old Testament scholar but seem to remember that Miriam was a drummer =
<br>
and there were some power struggles between her and Moses. I =
think
it<br>
was the people that insisted Miriam be included. That would =
at least<br>
date this struggle in the balance between the masculine and feminine to =
<br>
that time.<br>
Pat Black<br>
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