Self-evolution
Patricia Haines
levelgreen at kaxy.com
Tue Mar 14 05:10:56 PST 2006
Michael et al: if you haven't already seen it, check out the video or DVD of "What the (Bleep)Do We
Know?" - a conversation, loosely disguised as a story, with quantum physicists and neurobiologists
about the nature of 'reality' and our relationship to it as creators - makes a great gift for anyone
exploring the edges of things!
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From: Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
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Subject: Re: Self-evolution
> Harrison, et al...
>
> There is a book out since 1999 called "The User Illusion: Cutting
> Consciousness Down to Size" (by Tor Norreetranders) that suggests that
> the next 'grand unification' is not going to simply marry gravity to
> the other three forces described by modern physics, but will go even
> further, marrying physics to everyday life, consciousness, and
> meaning.
>
> I'm only a fourth of the way into this, but see much in it that seems
> relevant to the self-organizing, open space story. It seems that a
> big piece of evolution is forgetting details. When we measure
> temperature, for instance, we ignore the speed, position and all the
> variance in individual molecules. When we total up our grocery
> purchase, we note only the amount on the bill and leave with "a
> bagful" rather than individual items. When one of Darwin's successes
> is 'naturally selected', nature also forgets or ignores or lets go of
> a pile of other options. And when we write an invitation, we often
> ignore a lot of the details, forget them, so that we can move forward
> with issues and opps for... whatever. Forgetting, letting go,
> looking ahead, focusing in... it all helps open new space.
>
> The stuff in this book, refs to Santa Fe Institute conferences and
> such, might provide good fodder for this self-org story you're
> spinning, Harrison. It might provide other science-minded folks here
> with interesting reading.
>
> I suppose the biology of self-org might be closer to human systems,
> but I find the leap from physics to openspace more interesting. Small
> wonder, or a good sign, that I'm marrying a former particle physicist!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On 3/12/06, Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net> wrote:
> > On 3/12/06 2:00 AM, "OSLIST automatic digest system"
> > <LISTSERV at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > > Chaos, we are learning, is the rich seed =
> > > bed of emergent order. Strange new world.
> >
> > Yeah, all 13.7 billion years of recent events.
> >
> > Harrison, you're re-examining the theory of evolution. The process we call
> > "self-organization" may be, after all, what Darwin labeled "Natural
> > Selection". (He never used the phrase "survival of the fittest", by the
> > way.)
> >
> > If your new book emerges as a re-presentation of evolution for the world of
> > human systems, it will be a very, very useful contribution. If we can get
> > even a few such systems thinking/operating in harmony with the universe's
> > ancient (and highly effective) underlying dynamics, we'll have taken a big
> > step toward saving life on Earth.
> >
> > Lead on, my friend.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
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>From Tue Mar 14 08:59:44 2006
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:59:44 -0500
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Subject: FW: great success for Open Space in the Netherlands
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From: Patricia Haines [mailto:levelgreen at kaxy.com]
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Subject: Re: great success for Open Space in the Netherlands
Carla: there's actually a quite large body of research and theory that Open
Space would fit with,
just as Future Searches do - check the Cornell Participatory Action Research
Network website - may
be distinct from Cornell as PARNet.com by now; that was the plan last fall
but I've not kept up with
status.
The self-organization is also akin to the core theoretical premise in the
field of adult education,
which is that folks - and this goes for all ages, not just what our culture
considers "adults" -
have the capacity to identify and find solutions to dilemmas in their
individual and collective
lives. In the Adult Edn tradition that I espouse, the 'educator' is a
facilitator, not a "sage on
the stage" or expert. This premise runs through most AE evaluations and
reports, including those
from UNESCO and the World Bank - though what 'participation' actually means
in practice with World
Bank et al is problematic.
----- Original Message -----
From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: great success for Open Space in the Netherlands
> Carla wrote: "- why does Open Space work? (those academic boys and girls
> over ?here want to know something about theoretical background and start
> looking very upset as I told them that it just works)."
>
> Good work Carla! As to why OS works I believe the answer is --
> Self-organization. I have spelled out the details in a number of places
> including, "Expanding Our Now," "The Power of Spirit" (Both published by
> Berrett-Koehler) Also in "The Practice of Peace" -- with a final effort in
> my forthcoming (I think) book -- which at this point is called "In Pursuit
> of High Performance." There is no publisher for this -- and it will be a
> while before I get far enough to look for one. You might also check an
> article I did several years ago for the OD "Practitioner" I suspect they
> have it on their website, but my version of the piece will be found at
> http://www.openspaceworld.com/emergent_order.htm
>
> There are a lot of things that are strange (different) about OS, but from
> the Academics' point of view one of the most disturbing is that it started
> as a practice and went in search of a theory. This is precisely the
reverse
> of what "should" have happened, they seem to think. And if you are
actually
> looking for the origin of Open Space (at least my part in Open Space) you
> will find it in the bottom of two Martini Glasses. True story! Sounds
pretty
> bad, but then again Penicillin was discovered in the bottom of dirty
dishes.
>
> Harrison
>
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Drive
> Potomac, Maryland 20854
> Phone 301-365-2093
> Skype hhowen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Vliex,
> Carla (cvl)
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:13 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: great succes for Open Space in the Netherlands
>
> Hi all
>
> Last week we had a meeting with about 20 OD consultants in the
Netherlands.
> Some who lecture about OD at University, some who do research on OD and
some
> who work as OD consultants (like me). I was invited to write an article
an
> how Open Space works and why it works according to my experinces with Open
> Space. I used many of the things I have read over the years on the list!
> The article is going to be published in juni in one of our more prestige
> journals (for the dutch: Management en Organisatie). And there will be a
> national congres on Open Space and other inteventions who really are
> interactive (appreciative inquiry, Future Search, and much much more)
>
> I was very honoured not only to be asked but that Open Space is goging to
be
> even more 'hot' in the Netherlands.
>
> So if there are some reflections on the the next two items, it would help
me
> very much to rewrite some parts of the article:
> - why does Open Space work? (those academic boys and girls over ?here want
> to know something about theoretical background and start looking very
upset
> as I told them that it just works).
>
> - as Harrison wrote in his book Open Space; exapanding our now, Open Space
> has very ancient backgrounds (meeting in a cirkel, breathing, starting en
> ending 'time' and son on). What is more to say about these ancient ways of
> meeting?
>
> Anything or everything is welcome
>
> warm regards
> Carla
>
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>From Tue Mar 14 10:52:26 2006
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:52:26 -0500
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Subject: Re: great succes for Open Space in the Netherlands
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Carla -- you also give all those academic types a small push. You might ask
why it is that the Academic Community has so far managed to ignore OS? Here
is something that is 20 years old with 60,000+ applications in 100
Countries. This is the perfect opportunity for a little PhD research. These
folks could become famous!
Harrison
Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland 20854
Phone 301-365-2093
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-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Vliex,
Carla (cvl)
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:13 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: great succes for Open Space in the Netherlands
Hi all
Last week we had a meeting with about 20 OD consultants in the Netherlands.
Some who lecture about OD at University, some who do research on OD and some
who work as OD consultants (like me). I was invited to write an article an
how Open Space works and why it works according to my experinces with Open
Space. I used many of the things I have read over the years on the list!
The article is going to be published in juni in one of our more prestige
journals (for the dutch: Management en Organisatie). And there will be a
national congres on Open Space and other inteventions who really are
interactive (appreciative inquiry, Future Search, and much much more)
I was very honoured not only to be asked but that Open Space is goging to be
even more 'hot' in the Netherlands.
So if there are some reflections on the the next two items, it would help me
very much to rewrite some parts of the article:
- why does Open Space work? (those academic boys and girls over ?here want
to know something about theoretical background and start looking very upset
as I told them that it just works).
- as Harrison wrote in his book Open Space; exapanding our now, Open Space
has very ancient backgrounds (meeting in a cirkel, breathing, starting en
ending 'time' and son on). What is more to say about these ancient ways of
meeting?
Anything or everything is welcome
warm regards
Carla
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>From Tue Mar 14 10:55:49 2006
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:55:49 -0500
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This looks very interesting. Wonder if you could be more specific as to
title? If this is something you feel unseemly to publish here please
email me directly at: lburleson at nc.rr.com. Thanks!
Looking forward,
Les Burleson
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Patricia Haines
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:11 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: Self-evolution
Michael et al: if you haven't already seen it, check out the video or
DVD of "What the (Bleep)Do We
Know?" - a conversation, loosely disguised as a story, with quantum
physicists and neurobiologists
about the nature of 'reality' and our relationship to it as creators -
makes a great gift for anyone
exploring the edges of things!
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Sent: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:33:16 -0600
Subject: Re: Self-evolution
> Harrison, et al...
>
> There is a book out since 1999 called "The User Illusion: Cutting
> Consciousness Down to Size" (by Tor Norreetranders) that suggests that
> the next 'grand unification' is not going to simply marry gravity to
> the other three forces described by modern physics, but will go even
> further, marrying physics to everyday life, consciousness, and
> meaning.
>
> I'm only a fourth of the way into this, but see much in it that seems
> relevant to the self-organizing, open space story. It seems that a
> big piece of evolution is forgetting details. When we measure
> temperature, for instance, we ignore the speed, position and all the
> variance in individual molecules. When we total up our grocery
> purchase, we note only the amount on the bill and leave with "a
> bagful" rather than individual items. When one of Darwin's successes
> is 'naturally selected', nature also forgets or ignores or lets go of
> a pile of other options. And when we write an invitation, we often
> ignore a lot of the details, forget them, so that we can move forward
> with issues and opps for... whatever. Forgetting, letting go,
> looking ahead, focusing in... it all helps open new space.
>
> The stuff in this book, refs to Santa Fe Institute conferences and
> such, might provide good fodder for this self-org story you're
> spinning, Harrison. It might provide other science-minded folks here
> with interesting reading.
>
> I suppose the biology of self-org might be closer to human systems,
> but I find the leap from physics to openspace more interesting. Small
> wonder, or a good sign, that I'm marrying a former particle physicist!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On 3/12/06, Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net> wrote:
> > On 3/12/06 2:00 AM, "OSLIST automatic digest system"
> > <LISTSERV at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > > Chaos, we are learning, is the rich seed =
> > > bed of emergent order. Strange new world.
> >
> > Yeah, all 13.7 billion years of recent events.
> >
> > Harrison, you're re-examining the theory of evolution. The process
we call
> > "self-organization" may be, after all, what Darwin labeled "Natural
> > Selection". (He never used the phrase "survival of the fittest", by
the
> > way.)
> >
> > If your new book emerges as a re-presentation of evolution for the
world of
> > human systems, it will be a very, very useful contribution. If we
can get
> > even a few such systems thinking/operating in harmony with the
universe's
> > ancient (and highly effective) underlying dynamics, we'll have taken
a big
> > step toward saving life on Earth.
> >
> > Lead on, my friend.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
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> >
>
>
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> 300 West North Ave #1105
> Chicago IL 60610 USA
> Phone: 312-280-7838
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>
> skype: globalchicago
>
> http://www.michaelherman.com
> http://www.openspaceworld.org
>
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