Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?

ORT MARIA ptnrsmrt at mindspring.com
Sun Jan 29 13:27:33 PST 2006


Thank you Funda, Tree, Kerry and Phil! I'll share the event experience after 
it happens end of February. I so appreciate the wisdom and generosity of 
this OST collective. And yes Kerry....Ort, Maria will make the name 
correction on the OPworldmap website shortly.  Maria Ort
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Funda Oral" <fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
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Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?


> pre-meetings with the representative group, getting their opinion about 
> the wording, preparation and handing out of the invitations and about 
> timing of the meeting can be helpful
> funda
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Phelim McDermott" <phelim at mac.com>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?
>
>
>> On 29 Jan 2006, at 17:36, Phelim McDermott wrote:
>>
>>> This makes me think on one of the issues which came up around our " 
>>> devoted and disgruntled what are we going to do about theatre?"   open 
>>> space event.
>>>
>>> One of the issues was that despite having targeted all sectors of  the 
>>> theatre community there was a very small representation from  the Black 
>>> Theatre Community.....
>>>
>>> this prompted one disgruntled person at the end of first day news  to 
>>> say..
>>>
>>> "where are the black people here?   It's a case of Whoever turns up  is 
>>> the WHITE people! " although I viewed this as a representation  of the 
>>> landscape of the uk theatre world it was hard not to feel  criticised, 
>>> As we had made a big effort to make sure the invitation  went to a wide 
>>> audience. It also got the debate happening because  they weren't there 
>>> but brought up lots of questions about the next  event. Any thoughts 
>>> anyone?
>>>
>>> phelim
>>> On 29 Jan 2006, at 13:37, Harrison Owen wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: ORT MARIA [mailto:ptnrsmrt at mindspring.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:53 PM
>>>> To: hhowen at verizon.net
>>>> Subject: Re: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?
>>>>
>>>> . . . Make sure the space is open and folks will take care of 
>>>> themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Harrison. I'm an old hand at facilitation but relatively  new 
>>>> to
>>>> OST. My intuition told me that would be the case but it's  reassuring 
>>>> to hear
>>>>
>>>> it from you.
>>>> By the way, I was new to the listserv last month when you talked  about 
>>>> OST
>>>> emerging over a martini. Made me laugh. My former business partner  and 
>>>> I
>>>> wrote our first "business plan" on a cocktail napkin while drinking
>>>> martinis. We made a great go of it for 10 years before I was  called to 
>>>> this
>>>> profession. More important, we're still the best of friends.
>>>> Maria
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "'ORT MARIA'" <ptnrsmrt at mindspring.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:20 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This may seem a little short -- but having worked in a number of 
>>>> similar
>>>> environments I suggest that you not worry about the cultural  details. 
>>>> First
>>>> off, you will never get them right -- but mostly, if you make sure  the 
>>>> space
>>>> is really open, everything just takes care of it self. The space  is 
>>>> theirs
>>>> and it is open. If they need to pray, be with, not be with,  certain 
>>>> people
>>>> -- they will take care of that. Make sure the space is open and  folks 
>>>> will
>>>> take care of themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Harrison
>>>>
>>>> Harrison Owen
>>>> 7808 River Falls Drive
>>>> Potomac, Maryland 20854
>>>> Phone 301-365-2093
>>>> Skype hhowen
>>>> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
>>>> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>>>> Personal website www.ho-image.com
>>>> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>>>> archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of  ORT 
>>>> MARIA
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:21 PM
>>>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>>>> Subject: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?
>>>>
>>>> Hello OST Listserv Guru's,
>>>>
>>>> Happily, I have the opportunity to OS with the Arizona Refugee 
>>>> Resettlement
>>>> Program next month. It will be my first opportunity for a 2-day OS 
>>>> (the
>>>> other three have been just 1 day events, so I am fairly new at  it). 
>>>> The
>>>> State Agency is hosting a retreat for 30 representatives from both 
>>>> state &
>>>> federally funded Arizona organizations as well as volunteer groups 
>>>> that
>>>> serve specific refugee ethnicities or cultures.  Somalis, Sudanese,
>>>> Bosnians, Muslims and Jews will be participating. All speak and write
>>>> English fluently.
>>>>
>>>> My question: Are there adaptions required to the OS process? In 
>>>> general, I
>>>> know that Muslims prefer to separate men and women in meetings 
>>>> (example: if
>>>> there are any "juicers/energizer" activities, Muslim women can  hold 
>>>> each
>>>> others hands, but not a males hand). I'm aware of dietary  restrictions 
>>>> for
>>>> meals served at the retreat. However, I am ignorant of any  adaptations 
>>>> to
>>>> the OS process that might be required to make it a welcoming and 
>>>> appropriate
>>>>
>>>> space.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks, Maria Ort
>>>> Scottsdale, AZ
>>>>
>>>>
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>From  Sun Jan 29 17:30:38 2006
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From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?
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One way of spreading the news in a credible fashion is to form what I call a
group of Co-Conveners. It is not exactly an organizing committee as there is
not much to organize. But it is all about invitation and particularly,
credible invitation. In your case, the Co-Conveners might want to include
some Black Folks. Then they, along with everybody else, just invite their
friends and colleagues. Seems to get the news (invitation) out in pretty
good fashion.

Harrison

Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland   20854
Phone 301-365-2093
Skype hhowen
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-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Phelim
McDermott
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:08 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?

On 29 Jan 2006, at 17:36, Phelim McDermott wrote:

> This makes me think on one of the issues which came up around our "  
> devoted and disgruntled what are we going to do about theatre?"   
> open space event.
>
> One of the issues was that despite having targeted all sectors of  
> the theatre community there was a very small representation from  
> the Black Theatre Community.....
>
> this prompted one disgruntled person at the end of first day news  
> to say..
>
> "where are the black people here?   It's a case of Whoever turns up  
> is the WHITE people! " although I viewed this as a representation  
> of the landscape of the uk theatre world it was hard not to feel  
> criticised, As we had made a big effort to make sure the invitation  
> went to a wide audience. It also got the debate happening because  
> they weren't there but brought up lots of questions about the next  
> event. Any thoughts anyone?
>
> phelim
> On 29 Jan 2006, at 13:37, Harrison Owen wrote:
>
>> From: ORT MARIA [mailto:ptnrsmrt at mindspring.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:53 PM
>> To: hhowen at verizon.net
>> Subject: Re: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?
>>
>> . . . Make sure the space is open and folks will take care of  
>> themselves.
>>
>> Thank you Harrison. I'm an old hand at facilitation but relatively  
>> new to
>> OST. My intuition told me that would be the case but it's  
>> reassuring to hear
>>
>> it from you.
>> By the way, I was new to the listserv last month when you talked  
>> about OST
>> emerging over a martini. Made me laugh. My former business partner  
>> and I
>> wrote our first "business plan" on a cocktail napkin while drinking
>> martinis. We made a great go of it for 10 years before I was  
>> called to this
>> profession. More important, we're still the best of friends.
>> Maria
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net>
>> To: "'ORT MARIA'" <ptnrsmrt at mindspring.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:20 PM
>> Subject: RE: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?
>>
>>
>> This may seem a little short -- but having worked in a number of  
>> similar
>> environments I suggest that you not worry about the cultural  
>> details. First
>> off, you will never get them right -- but mostly, if you make sure  
>> the space
>> is really open, everything just takes care of it self. The space  
>> is theirs
>> and it is open. If they need to pray, be with, not be with,  
>> certain people
>> -- they will take care of that. Make sure the space is open and  
>> folks will
>> take care of themselves.
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>> Harrison Owen
>> 7808 River Falls Drive
>> Potomac, Maryland 20854
>> Phone 301-365-2093
>> Skype hhowen
>> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
>> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>> Personal website www.ho-image.com
>> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>> archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of  
>> ORT MARIA
>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:21 PM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Experience with diverse cultures participating in OST?
>>
>> Hello OST Listserv Guru's,
>>
>> Happily, I have the opportunity to OS with the Arizona Refugee  
>> Resettlement
>> Program next month. It will be my first opportunity for a 2-day OS  
>> (the
>> other three have been just 1 day events, so I am fairly new at  
>> it). The
>> State Agency is hosting a retreat for 30 representatives from both  
>> state &
>> federally funded Arizona organizations as well as volunteer groups  
>> that
>> serve specific refugee ethnicities or cultures.  Somalis, Sudanese,
>> Bosnians, Muslims and Jews will be participating. All speak and write
>> English fluently.
>>
>> My question: Are there adaptions required to the OS process? In  
>> general, I
>> know that Muslims prefer to separate men and women in meetings  
>> (example: if
>> there are any "juicers/energizer" activities, Muslim women can  
>> hold each
>> others hands, but not a males hand). I'm aware of dietary  
>> restrictions for
>> meals served at the retreat. However, I am ignorant of any  
>> adaptations to
>> the OS process that might be required to make it a welcoming and  
>> appropriate
>>
>> space.
>>
>> Many thanks, Maria Ort
>> Scottsdale, AZ
>>
>>
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>From  Sun Jan 29 15:22:30 2006
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:22:30 -0800
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From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
Subject: Re: Logos and poems--Poetry Contest
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Joelle - as I'm on the road I'm not sure this will get in by the
contest's end, but: here is my satirical poem.  And by the way, I am not
sure how my satirical poem written in English appears to those of you
who do not have English as your home language.  It is very possible that
some may read this without reading that I am having a laugh at myself.
 
 
___________________________
 
 
 
"I Am So Amazing"
 
 
 
 
I invite them to crawl around on the floor
.and they do.
.and they kind of like it.
 
I invite them to post signs on a wall, run around the room like insects.
 
I tell them feet have laws.
 
The part they see me do is pick up their coffee cups - incredibly
skilled work, worthy of huge sums of money.
 
I ring a bell; they sit.  
 
I have such power.
 
 
 
- - -
 
(By the way, I try this at home, but the cats and the girlfriend are not
impressed by my incredible power, do not sit when I ring a bell, and
expect me to pick up coffee cups for free.  Although I must say the cats
do enjoy crawling around on the floor and do it without invitation.)
 
 
 
 
___________________________
 
 
Lisa
 
___________________________
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Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
O p e n i n g  S p a c e
2325 Oregon
Berkeley, California
94705-1106   USA
+01 510 548-8449
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to crawl around on the floor<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'>…and they
do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
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size=3D2
color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>I =
invite them
to post signs on a wall, run around the room like =
insects…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>I tell =
them
feet have laws.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>The =
part they
see me do is pick up their coffee cups – incredibly skilled work, =
worthy
of huge sums of money.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>I ring =
a bell;
they sit.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  =
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>I have =
such
power…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>(By =
the way, I
try this at home, but the cats and the girlfriend are not impressed by =
my
incredible power, do not sit when I ring a bell, and expect me to pick =
up
coffee cups for free.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  =
</span>Although I
must say the cats do enjoy crawling around on the floor and do it =
without
invitation…)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
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e<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black;mso-no-proof:
yes'>94705-1106<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>   =
</span>USA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
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yes'><a href=3D"mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net"><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'>lisaheft at openingspace.net</span></font></a></span><=
/font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Subject: Re: Logos and poems--Poetry Contest
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I once tried to do everything opposite.
Sit in a line.  
I shall stand at a podium and tell you how to think.
No room for extra thoughts - that is off-topic.
Please have your agenda items ready one week in advance.
I will select a few topics I feel pertain to the issue.
Please refrain from thinking until the official start time of our
meeting.
Only those with special titles may have ideas.
Do not leave the room.
Please be sure you end the meeting with the same thoughts you came in
with.
Keep the windows closed so no insects fly in to disturb our meeting.
No breathing, please.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lisa
 
___________________________
L i s a   H e f t
Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
O p e n i n g  S p a c e
2325 Oregon
Berkeley, California
94705-1106   USA
+01 510 548-8449
 <mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net> lisaheft at openingspace.net
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joelle
Lyons Everett
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:05 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Logos and poems--Poetry Contest
 
Five more days to post your poems for this year's Poetry Contest.  The
theme for poems is OST; the form is satire.

Satire:  A literary work in which irony, derision, or wit in any form is
used to expose folly or wickedness.  (American Heritage dictionary)

Satire:  (from Latin satira, satura, a poetic medley; from satura, a
dish filled with various fruits, a medley; from satur, full of food,
sated)  A poem or prose work holding up human vices, follies, etc. to
ridicule or scorn.  Trenchant wit, irony or sarcasm, used for the
purpose of exposing and discrediting vice or folly. (Webster's New
Collegiate dictionary)

Poets, satirists, wits . . . we await your words.  What folly would you
like to expose . . . or celebrate?


Joelle Everett
the almost-ex-poet laureate



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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>I once =
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do everything opposite.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>Sit in =
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line.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>I =
shall stand
at a podium and tell you how to think.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>No =
room for
extra thoughts – that is off-topic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>Please =
have
your agenda items ready one week in =
advance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>I will =
select a
few topics I feel pertain to the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Joelle Lyons Everett<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 27, =
2006
5:05 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Logos and =
poems--Poetry
Contest</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3DGeneva><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial;color:black'>Five more days to post your poems for this year's =
Poetry
Contest.  The theme for poems is OST; the form is satire.<br>
<br>
Satire:  A literary work in which irony, derision, or wit in any =
form is
used to expose folly or wickedness.  (American Heritage =
dictionary)<br>
<br>
Satire:  (from Latin satira, satura, a poetic medley; from satura, =
a dish
filled with various fruits, a medley; from satur, full of food, =
sated)  A
poem or prose work holding up human vices, follies, etc. to ridicule or =
scorn. 
Trenchant wit, irony or sarcasm, used for the purpose of exposing and
discrediting vice or folly. (Webster's New Collegiate dictionary)<br>
<br>
Poets, satirists, wits . . . we await your words.  What folly would =
you
like to expose . . . or celebrate?<br>
<br>
<br>
Joelle Everett<br>
the almost-ex-poet laureate<br>
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>From  Sun Jan 29 15:33:07 2006
Message-Id: <SUN.29.JAN.2006.153307.0800.>
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:33:07 -0800
Reply-To: lisaheft at openingspace.net
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
Subject: Re: How do you respond to unsatisfying experiences of "open"
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Hello, Ms. Christy!
 
I am on the road so unsure when this message I am sending will get into
the conversation stream, but.
 
Christy wrote:
 
<What, if anything, do you say/do/think when someone says to you, "oh,
I've been to an Open Space Technology meeting before, and I didn't like
it, and wouldn't want to do it again," .and upon gentle inquiry you
discover that what they were told was "Open Space" was not really so
very open? And/or that something was missing (for example, session
summaries weren't posted or shared or compiled in a timely way, or at
all)? .And especially when the spaces in question were held by really
wonderful people (definitely possessing "good heads and good hearts")
whom you like very much?>


Ahhh, Ms. Christy.  Indeed I have had that experience.  All I can say is
that it's an opportunity to share how choice of appropriate
method/tool/technology, design of time, and attention and respect to
pre-work, detail and follow-up are the cornerstones of good
facilitation, no matter the method.  Maybe even to share your own
'survivors of bad Open Space' stories if you have them, if appropriate.
And to invite that person to another event in future.
 
There are a few facilitators I know (no matter the methods they use)
that I dearly love and to whom I would never refer a prospective client,
alas.  Because I trust the process, but I have seen or experienced a
situation that person has facilitated that I would not like to see
repeated.  And even so, I can still love that colleague for who they
are, for their intention, their passion, their dedication.
 
Your question raises an interesting point.  So not to take you off
Christy's question, but to add another one -- what do you (all of you)
do when you hear that a great client has selected a facilitator you have
seen do lousy work, or about whom you have heard others complain?  Very
tricky.  I had this situation and I had a hard time wrestling with my
own feelings and concerns.  Do I tell the client, with the fear that it
makes me sound competitive or unprofessional?  Do I let them have their
own experience, hoping it will be good?  I have done the latter.  What
have you others done / felt / experienced?
 
As with so many things, my other answer is: I call situations like this
- a breathing lesson.
 
Lisa
___________________________
L i s a   H e f t
Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
O p e n i n g  S p a c e
2325 Oregon
Berkeley, California
94705-1106   USA
+01 510 548-8449
 <mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net> lisaheft at openingspace.net
 <http://www.openingspace.net> www.openingspace.net 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
Christy Lee-Engel
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:30 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: How do you respond to unsatisfying experiences of "open" space?
 
Hello dear open space friends,

What, if anything, do you say/do/think when someone says to you, "oh,
I've been to an Open Space Technology meeting before, and I didn't like
it, and wouldn't want to do it again," 

and upon gentle inquiry you discover that what they were told was "Open
Space" was not really so very open? And/or that something was missing
(for example, session summaries weren't posted or shared or compiled in
a timely way, or at all)? 

And especially when the spaces in question were held by really wonderful
people (definitely possessing "good heads and good hearts") whom you
like very much?

thank you,
Christy Lee-Engel
Seattle 
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MS";color:#000099;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>What, if anything, do you say/do/think when someone says to you,
"oh, I've been to an Open Space Technology meeting before, and I =
didn't
like it, and wouldn't want to do it again," …and upon gentle =
inquiry
you discover that what they were told was "Open Space" was not =
really
so very open? And/or that something was missing (for example, session =
summaries
weren't posted or shared or compiled in a timely way, or at all)? =
…And
especially when the spaces in question were held by really wonderful =
people
(definitely possessing "good heads and good hearts") whom you =
like
very much?</span></font></i><font color=3D"#000099" face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:#000099'>><br =
style=3D'mso-special-character:
line-break'>
<![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br =
style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![endif]></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DSpellE><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:black'>Ahhh</span></font></span><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:black'>, Ms. Christy.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  =
</span>Indeed
I have had that experience.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  =
</span>All I
can say is that it’s an opportunity to share how choice of =
appropriate
method/tool/technology, design of time, and attention and respect to =
pre-work,
detail and follow-up are the cornerstones of good facilitation, no =
matter the
method.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>Maybe even to =
share your
own ‘survivors of bad Open Space’ stories if you have them, =
if
appropriate.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><span =
class=3DGramE>And
to invite that person to another event in =
future.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>There =
are a few
facilitators I know (no matter the methods they use) that I dearly love =
and to
whom I would never refer a prospective client, alas.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>Because I trust the process, =
but I have
seen or experienced a situation that person has facilitated that I would =
not
like to see repeated.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>And =
even so,
I can still love that colleague for who they are, for their intention, =
their
passion, their dedication…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>Your =
question
raises an interesting point.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  =
</span>So not
to take you off Christy’s question, but to add another one -- what =
do you
(all of you) do when you hear that a great client has selected a =
facilitator
you have seen do lousy work, or about whom you have heard others =
complain?<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><span class=3DGramE>Very =
tricky.</span><span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>I had this situation and I had =
a hard
time wrestling with my own feelings and concerns.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>Do I tell the client, with the =
fear that
it makes me sound competitive or unprofessional?<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>Do I let them have their own =
experience,
hoping it will be good?<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>I =
have done
the latter.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>What have you =
others
done / felt / experienced?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>As =
with so many
things, my other answer is: I call situations like this – a =
breathing
lesson…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'>Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black;mso-no-proof:
yes'>___________________________</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:blue;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal;mso-no-proof:yes'=
>L i s
a<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>   </span>H e f =
t<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:blue;mso-no-proof:
yes'>Consultant, Facilitator, Educator<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:blue;mso-no-proof:
yes'>O p e n i n g<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>S p a c =
e<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black;mso-no-proof:
yes'>2325 Oregon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black;mso-no-proof:
yes'>Berkeley, California<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black;mso-no-proof:
yes'>94705-1106<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>   =
</span>USA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black;mso-no-proof:
yes'>+01 510 548-8449<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black;mso-no-proof:
yes'><a href=3D"mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net"><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'>lisaheft at openingspace.net</span></font></a></span><=
/font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black;mso-no-proof:
yes'><a href=3D"http://www.openingspace.net"><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'>www.openingspace.net</span></font></a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Christy Lee-Engel<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 27, =
2006
8:30 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> How do you =
respond to
unsatisfying experiences of "open" =
space?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3D"#000099"
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:#000099'>Hello dear open space friends,<br>
<br>
What, if anything, do you say/do/think when someone says to you, =
"oh, I've
been to an Open Space Technology meeting before, and I didn't like it, =
and
wouldn't want to do it again," <br>
<br>
and upon gentle inquiry you discover that what they were told was =
"Open
Space" was not really so very open? And/or that something was =
missing (for
example, session summaries weren't posted or shared or compiled in a =
timely
way, or at all)? <br>
<br>
And especially when the spaces in question were held by really wonderful =
people
(definitely possessing "good heads and good hearts") whom you =
like
very much?<br>
<br>
thank you,<br>
Christy Lee-Engel<br>
Seattle <br>
</span></font>-- <br>
weblog: <a =
href=3D"http://lifecultivatinglife.blogspot.com">http://lifecultivatingli=
fe.blogspot.com</a>
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