OSONOS Hither and Yon (a little on the long side)

Tue Jan 24 13:56:45 PST 2006

I think that would be great, i would like to participate very much,
funda
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From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: OSONOS Hither and Yon (a little on the long side)

Several days ago I sent a short note to some folks everybody will recognize
as "regulars" on the LIST - all of which means they will need no
introduction. Since sending that note, an interesting conversation has been
evolving and it seemed to me that others might wish to join in. And so I
have engaged in a little cutting and pasting - what follows is the major
pieces in order of their appearance. Which of course, is the reverse of the
way things usually show up here. But reverse perversity being my nature -
what else would you expect. And it is all about OSONOS(s).
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Maybe I am getting cabin fever - been raining a lot, but I have been
thinking that it is about time to do an OSONOS in North America. The over
the water stuff is great, but I am a little worried that we have neglected
the homefolks. Or something. Seems like folks were pretty well cued up for
OSONOS/ International (Moscow, Israel, Istanbul ???) and I certainly don't
want to compete with all of that. Myself, I won't make Moscow (Maine and
all), and who knows about the rest - but something closer to home would work
well, I thought. I even went so far as to check out a conference center
right near Beautiful Camden, Maine. Nice place for 50-75 people and if we
were to do this in the middle/end of September (say 2007) we could have the
whole thing for $500 a day with coffee and lunch for an additional $18 per
person - or (for 2 days) about $52 total fee. There are plenty of nearby
motels/B&Bs/hotels in virtually every price range - and at that time of
year, deals can be made. What do you think?

Harrison

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Count me in.  Anything to help Harrison cure a case of cabin fever - because
I don't like any of the rest of you at all!

(H- do you need folks to front any cash?  I can help some.)

xxoo

Ralph

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Ralph Copleman
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thanks, harrison... and, you know, this is totally in line with what we
instigated last year in chicago and got repeated in texas this year, under
the usa banner... because i was thinking that the international, and even
canadian osi, communities had left the usa crowd a bit behind.  also, of
course, that was when our elections were coming up and we thought we might
just do some good in the run-up to that.  and that's just some of why i'd be
all for this north american thing.

i don't know where i am in sept 2006, much less 2007, but there's just got
to be less commotion next year than this year, so chances are good i could
swing it.  are you saying 2007 would be in camden as a NAmer thing or *the*
international thing coming home to camden?  i still keep wondering about the
idea i floated in australia, to have a couple of these things simultaneously
and report all the notes into the same online place.  seems like a great way
to gather more local friends and pay less airfare expense.  maybe someday.
and camden in the meantime.

M (herman)

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OSONOS in Maine sounds great.  There would be lots of interest from Atlantic
Canada to Ontario, I'd bet.  What would be the relationship to the OSI USA
OSONOS events that have been going on?

Larry

Larry Peterson

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larry et al...

i'm not sure that the usa osonos events ever really were osi usa events,
larry.  the first invitation was written by doug germann and i, though i'm
not sure if doug was yet a board member when that happened.  since then he's
joined and i've left the board, with a long period of overlap, but i'm not
sure that board affiliation is enough to make it an osi event.  maybe
somebody else remembers otherwise, and i could certainly be wrong in my own
memory.

the events themselves, all two of them, were motivated by the same sense
harrison mentions, wondering if the homefront here hasn't been neglected.
at the time, we made it a usa event rather than north american because we
had elections coming up down here and we thought that osi canada was already
doing much more up that way.  so we thought we had some unique needs and
less attention being brought to them.

i don't know if there is yet a third usa event planned for 2006.  no matter,
i'm sure it can easily slide right into the larger NA frame.

Michael (herman)

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This sounds fun...but we should think about the question it begs about the
whole OSonOS franchise.  If we start making this a North American meeting,
it would seem to me that either OSonOS would simply stay outside North
America (and be smaller) or that we may end up meeting in NA every year and
once in a while that meeting also becomes OSonOS.  Not a big discussion or
anyhting, just imagining what might happen

Anyway, Maine sounds like a wonderful idea, and I'll put it near the top of
my "what might be possible this year" list.

Cheers all,

Chris (Corrigan)

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thinking about the 'franchise' as chris puts it, i was thinking back in
marysville that it would be cool to have osonos happen simultaneously in
several locations, with all the notes posted to one place online.

now that might or might not ever happen, but certainly it could be that
'osonos' is a moveable but not annual feast, happening many places each
year.  in order to be an 'osonos' gathering it would only have to be
announced as such and then we'd want to see the proceedings posted somewhere
online, as well, so we could all peek in on the whole of it.  as long as we
can link all the invitations and proceedings together, which is easy, it is
arguably one grand ongoing event.

Michael

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Michael Sounds good to me. OSONOS anywhere, anytime, anybody wants it - just
raise your hand and share the fun. And for sure online linkage must be part
of the package. In the past, I have done multi-site, simultaneous OS's and
it works like gang busters. No reason the whole OS community can't do the
same thing, and there might be some additional "pluses." For one thing it
could take away something of the "competitive edge" that occasionally
appears around THE ANNUAL OSONOS. It would also remove an aspect of the
Annual "do" which I personally find sometimes difficult and uncomfortable -
namely the decision as the where next to go. Last year in Halifax we spent
some time on this one. On balance I would guess that it was time well spent
in that we learned a lot about the capacity of that particular body of folks
to make an informed and difficult decision. However, the thought that the
assembled crew was making a decision for the "community as a whole" was a
stretch I thought. We were but a tiny part of that community, and I would
bet that less than 50% of those present in Halifax will show up in Moscow -
and of course they will be replaced by an equal or larger number of the
"right" people who care to come. In a way we have inadvertently converted
the annual OSONOS into a zero sum game with winners and losers dividing up a
finite pie. But the pie (spaceniks around the world) seems to be pretty much
infinite.  So why go through the agony (if it was that) if you don't have
to? Just OSONOS anywhere, anytime you care to - and those who care will
come. Could take us to a whole new (win/win) level! And I just made OSONOS
into a verb!

OSONOS declined: --

OSONOS
OSONUS
OSONUU
OSONME
OSON. . .

And by the way - seems to me this discussion has become pretty juicy. Should
it be moved over to OSLIST?

Harrison

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There you have it folks - perhaps a little more than you wanted, but does it
shake any trees, ring any bells?

ho

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