Looking for an email address-another try

Sat Jan 28 04:56:59 PST 2006

Well, so far no response,
a phone number would also help,
please respond to me directly
thanks
mmp

Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> trying to write a note to
> Jean De La Durantaye from Canada
> who just included herself in the world map,
> the mails are returned as undeliverable.
> Anyone have a working email for her?
> Just send a note directly to me at
> mmpanne at boscop.de
> thanks
> and
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp

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Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
++49-30-772 8000
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Christy Wrote: What, if anything, do you say/do/think when someone says =
to
you, "oh, I've been to an Open Space Technology meeting before, and I =
didn't
like it, and wouldn't want to do it again," and upon gentle inquiry you
discover that what they were told was "Open Space" was not really so =
very
open? And/or that something was missing (for example, session summaries
weren't posted or shared or compiled in a timely way, or at all)? And
especially when the spaces in question were held by really wonderful =
people
(definitely possessing "good heads and good hearts") whom you like very
much?

=20

Christy I can definitely see the tenderness of the situation. I've been
there once or twice. The first part seems pretty easy - which I have =
dealt
with by saying something like, "I am not sure why XX did it the way they =
did
- but ordinarily I ..(fill in the blanks)." Then we come to the =
diplomatic
part - but maybe the most essential. One of the basic principles for me =
in
our Open Space Community is that we share what we learn. Most times it =
seems
that we can share the good times and the good new ideas and insights =
(Open
Space always works for most people :-)). Then we have situations such as =
you
are talking about. A little difficult for sure, but the learning
possibilities are really great. You might say something like ."I was =
talking
to one of your participants and she/he said that ____ didn't quite work =
for
them. What do you suppose we could learn from that? And how could we do =
it
better? Seems to me that puts the whole conversation in a win/win mode. =
You
learn something, your friend learns something -- and then if you share =
the
insights - we all learn something.

=20

I have found that deep learning always takes place at the points of =
anomaly
or mal-function, -- those instances when something happened that should =
not
have taken place. Or -- didn't happen when it should have. All of a =
sudden I
am aware of "difference." And difference for me is the cutting edge of
learning. When everything works as expected, just like usual - that is
wonderful, but I don't think we learn very much or at least no learning =
that
makes a difference.

=20

And of course, learning is always painful to some degree. I mean real
learning - because assimilating difference can be rather a pain. When it
becomes clear that the old comfortable pattern, idea, way of being just
won't make it any more, letting go has its cost. And sometimes it is =
very
painful. Let's suppose that your friend was basically a control freak in
disguise (we all are to some extent). She/he said all the right words, =
but
at the end of the day, the need to be "in charge" was just overwhelming. =
And
it showed. And the space closed, and the folks were unhappy.=20

=20

Bringing that sort of thing to the surface can really be hard. But the =
"up"
side is immense. Perhaps she/he really wanted to let go, but wasn't able =
to.
You could help. Or maybe he/she really thought she/he should be in =
charge,
in which case Open Space is definitely not the proper cup of tea. Well =
you
get the idea.

=20

Harrison

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=20

Harrison Owen

7808 River Falls Drive

Potomac, Maryland   20854

Phone 301-365-2093

Skype hhowen

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Lee-Engel
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:30 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: How do you respond to unsatisfying experiences of "open" space?

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Hello dear open space friends,

What, if anything, do you say/do/think when someone says to you, "oh, =
I've
been to an Open Space Technology meeting before, and I didn't like it, =
and
wouldn't want to do it again,"=20

and upon gentle inquiry you discover that what they were told was "Open
Space" was not really so very open? And/or that something was missing =
(for
example, session summaries weren't posted or shared or compiled in a =
timely
way, or at all)?=20

And especially when the spaces in question were held by really wonderful
people (definitely possessing "good heads and good hearts") whom you =
like
very much?

thank you,
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Christy Wrote: What, if anything, do you say/do/think when someone says =
to
you, "oh, I've been to an Open Space Technology meeting before, and =
I
didn't like it, and wouldn't want to do it again," and upon gentle =
inquiry
you discover that what they were told was "Open Space" was not =
really
so very open? And/or that something was missing (for example, session =
summaries
weren't posted or shared or compiled in a timely way, or at all)? And
especially when the spaces in question were held by really wonderful =
people
(definitely possessing "good heads and good hearts") whom you =
like
very much?

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>

Christy I can definitely see the =
tenderness
of the situation. I’ve been there once or twice. The first part =
seems
pretty easy – which I have dealt with by saying something like, =
“I
am not sure why XX did it the way they did – but ordinarily I =
….(fill
in the blanks).” Then we come to the diplomatic part – but =
maybe
the most essential. One of the basic principles for me in our Open Space
Community is that we share what we learn. Most times it seems that we =
can share
the good times and the good new ideas and insights (Open Space always =
works for
most people J). Then we have =
situations
such as you are talking about. A little difficult for sure, but the =
learning
possibilities are really great. You might say something like =
…”I
was talking to one of your participants and she/he said that ____ =
didn’t
quite work for them. What do you suppose we could learn from that? And =
how
could we do it better? Seems to me that puts the whole conversation in a =
win/win
mode. You learn something, your friend learns something -- and then if =
you
share the insights – we all learn something.

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>

I have found that deep learning =
always
takes place at the points of anomaly or mal-function, -- those instances =
when
something happened that should not have taken place. Or -- didn’t =
happen
when it should have. All of a sudden I am aware of =
“difference.”
And difference for me is the cutting edge of learning. When everything =
works as
expected, just like usual – that is wonderful, but I don’t =
think we
learn very much or at least no learning that makes a =
difference.

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>

And of course, learning is always =
painful
to some degree. I mean real learning – because assimilating =
difference
can be rather a pain. When it becomes clear that the old comfortable =
pattern,
idea, way of being just won’t make it any more, letting go has its =
cost.
And sometimes it is very painful. Let’s suppose that your friend =
was
basically a control freak in disguise (we all are to some extent). =
She/he said
all the right words, but at the end of the day, the need to be “in =
charge”
was just overwhelming. And it showed. And the space closed, and the =
folks were
unhappy.

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>

Bringing that sort of thing to the =
surface
can really be hard. But the “up” side is immense. Perhaps =
she/he
really wanted to let go, but wasn’t able to. You could help. Or =
maybe
he/she really thought she/he should be in charge, in which case Open =
Space is
definitely not the proper cup of tea. Well you get the =
idea.

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dred face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Harrison</span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
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Drive</span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Potomac,
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Hello dear open space friends, 
 
What, if anything, do you say/do/think when someone says to you, =
"oh, I've
been to an Open Space Technology meeting before, and I didn't like it, =
and
wouldn't want to do it again," 
 
and upon gentle inquiry you discover that what they were told was =
"Open
Space" was not really so very open? And/or that something was =
missing (for
example, session summaries weren't posted or shared or compiled in a =
timely
way, or at all)? 
 
And especially when the spaces in question were held by really wonderful =
people
(definitely possessing "good heads and good hearts") whom you =
like
very much? 
 
thank you, 
Christy Lee-Engel 
Seattle 
-- 
weblog: <a =
href=3D"http://lifecultivatinglife.blogspot.com">http://lifecultivatingli=
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