Larry's question
Michael M Pannwitz
mmpanne at boscop.de
Mon Dec 4 03:30:42 PST 2006
Dear Larry,
one observation that I have made (on myself, but of course more clearly
observing other colleagues!) is that some of us are primarily concerned
with results, some of us want "concrete" results, what some of us "see"
depends on our awareness.
Now, seeing and knowing this I wonder how deeply we collaborate with
clients on our expectations and preferences. Or, putting it a little
differently: How do we contribute to the result-centered stance of our
clients (or to the process-centered one)? Or, differently yet, how do we
cater to their tastes?
I do hope that Ralph asks for an explanation again to give me another
run at this!
Greetings from Berlin where the sun is shining brightly and the
neighbors are decorating their homes in anticipation of Christmas
mmp
Larry Peterson wrote:
> Ralph & All:
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply. I’ll try to explain my last sentence shortly. I
> agree with Joelle and you that some clients are only or primarily
> concerned about results. Some want “concrete” results – 10 work groups
> with specific outcomes by December. Some realize that new relationships
> or new patterns of communication (social networks) are also important
> “results”. Shifts is culture, or felt sense, of the organization are
> also results. What the client “sees” and wants depends on the client’s
> awareness.
>
>
>
> I also believe that Open Space Technology is a particular technique or
> approach to collective conversation and emergent leadership that can
> lead to surprising results at many levels. I think “opening a space”
> can be done in many ways without the technology even though the same
> Principles and Law seem to work. Just as “Future Search” is a
> particular approach developed/discovered by somebody, I think OST is as
> well only it is not “controlled” in the same way. I think “opening
> space” is much bigger and the world view and the Principles and Law of
> OST help us to practice “opening space”
>
>
>
> Thus, when I use OST I acknowledge the source of that “technology” , at
> least by naming OST, at some point in the event and the work process
> with the client. Otherwise the clients believe that I discovered it, my
> ego gets stroked, for what just happened. I know that Harrison “gave it
> away” – a wonderful gift to us all. It is also true that some of my
> “clients” or some groups I work with (such as those on collective
> consciousness journeys) want to know what it is and what its roots are.
> One client call all (and there have been many) Open Space Events – he
> sees the value in that with his front line mechanics and construction
> workers.
>
>
>
> I designed and used for 17 years, when I was doing organizing around
> homeless in Canada, participatory processes very similar to Future
> Search at gathers across the country. They were guided, focused on
> issues and they worked. When I have been in involved in Future Search,
> similar but different, I call it that.
>
>
>
> Does this help clarify my thoughts?
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> Larry Peterson
>
> Associates in Transformation
>
> Toronto, ON, Canada
>
> 416.653.4829
>
>
>
> larry at spiritedorg.com <mailto:larry at spiritedorg.com>
>
> www.spiritedorg.com <http://www.spiritedorg.com>
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>
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Dear all, speaking of praise: When I was introduced to OS in 1989 in
Amsterdam, we were told by somebody that one doesn't clap hands when someone
agrees with what someone else said in a plenary discussion (clapping hands
takes a lot of time and does something to the energy), but say "ho" (that's
what it sounds like). I used to think this was what the native Americans
said, spelled "hugh". Last year as I re-entered OSLIST, I somehow began to
wonder whether this might be the abbreviation of Harrison's name. (And if
so, I would love the expression even more. :-))
Questions: do you all say "ho" to express your agreeing with what has been
said? Is this "rule" still alive? Or what do you use? And where does this
term actually come from?
Love and gratitude to all of you - Catherine
Catherine Pfaehler Senn
Lic.oec.HSG
Open Space Begleitung & Coaching
Kellersriedweg 8
CH - 2503 Biel
+41-(0)32 - 365 68 41
c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch
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<h2 align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><a =
name=3Dskipnavlinks></a><st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on"><b><font size=3D5 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt'>OSLIST</span></font></b></st1:PersonName>
Digest - 30 Nov 2006 to 1 Dec 2006 (#2006-317)<o:p></o:p></h2>
<h3><b><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>Table
of contents:<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h3>
<ul type=3Ddisc>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S1">messages for OS =
LIST</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S2">Spam? What's Up?</a> =
(2) <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S3">The Spam thing</a> (4) =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S4">Fwd: The Spam =
thing</a> (4) <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S5">Spam issue with OS =
List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S6">oslist spam</a> (4) =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S7">Fwd: Lift News =
December 2006</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S8">On Technology, sort =
of</a> (2) <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S9">"celebration =
offers" as
a gift of THANKS</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S10">Not using OST or =
OS</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S11">FW: Help!</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S12">In Praise of =
Murli</a> (3) <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a href=3D"#S13">FW: In Praise of =
Murli</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<ol start=3D1 type=3D1>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS1><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>messages for OS
LIST</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20577 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">messages
for OS LIST</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Phelim =
McDermott
<phelim at mac.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS2><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Spam? =
What's Up?</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20578 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Spam?
What's Up?</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Nancy =
Weatherhead
<newresolve at eastlink.ca> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20579 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
Spam? What's Up?</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Agneta =
Setterwall
=
<agneta.setterwall at telia.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS3><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The =
Spam thing</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20580 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">The
Spam thing</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Barry Owen
<barryo at comcast.net> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20594 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
The Spam thing</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Julie Denny
<JuliaDenny at aol.com> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20595 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
The Spam thing</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Belinda =
Henson
<belindahenson at gmail.com> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20599 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
The Spam thing</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Phelim =
McDermott
<phelim at mac.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS4><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Fwd: =
The Spam
thing</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20581 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Fwd:
The Spam thing</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Diane =
Brandon
<diane at keysregion.org> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20584 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
Fwd: The Spam thing</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Agneta =
Setterwall
<agneta.setterwall at telia.com> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20589 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
Fwd: The Spam thing</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Arno Baltin
<arno at tlu.ee> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20593 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
Fwd: The Spam thing</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
Communications
Esther Matte =
<ematte at excellence.ca><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS5><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Spam =
issue with OS
List</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20582 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Spam
issue with OS List</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Belinda =
Henson
<belindahenson at gmail.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS6><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>oslist =
spam</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20583 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
oslist spam</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Phelim =
McDermott
<phelim at mac.com> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20585 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
oslist spam</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Diane =
Brandon <diane at keysregion.org>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20588 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
oslist spam</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Lisa Heft
<lisaheft at openingspace.net> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20600 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
oslist spam</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Diane =
Brandon
<diane at keysregion.org><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS7><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Fwd: =
Lift News
December 2006</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20586 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Fwd:
Lift News December 2006</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Phelim =
McDermott
<phelim at mac.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS8><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On =
Technology,
sort of</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20587 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">On
Technology, sort of</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Ralph =
Copleman
<rcopleman at comcast.net> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20598 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
On Technology, sort of</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Joelle =
Lyons Everett
<JLEShelton at aol.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS9><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>"celebration
offers" as a gift of =
THANKS</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20590 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">"celebration
offers" as a gift of THANKS</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Gabriela =
Ender
=
<gabriela.ender at OpenSpace-Online.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>=
</ul>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS10><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Not =
using OST or
OS</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
<ul type=3Dcircle>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
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href=3D"cid:20591 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Not
using OST or OS</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Larry =
Peterson
<larry at spiritedorg.com><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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Roman"><span
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href=3D"cid:20592 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">FW:
Help!</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
<st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on">Harrison Owen</st1:PersonName> =
<hhowen at verizon.net><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>In =
Praise of Murli</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20596 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">In
Praise of Murli</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
<st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on">Harrison Owen</st1:PersonName> =
<hhowen at verizon.net> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20597 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
In Praise of Murli</a> (12/01)<br>
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<lisaheft at openingspace.net> <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20601 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">Re:
In Praise of Murli</a> (12/01)<br>
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Nagasundaram
<murli at boisestate.edu><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><a name=3DS13><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>FW: In =
Praise of
Murli</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></li>
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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"cid:20602 at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">FW:
In Praise of Murli</a> (12/01)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
<st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on">Harrison Owen</st1:PersonName> =
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