AW: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space

Sat Aug 26 05:20:54 PDT 2006

Let's see if this screen shot from www.visuelle-protokolle.de makes  
it through onto the list.

Diane Brandon, M.Ed., Coordinator
KEYS Coalition (CWC)
Landmark Hill Community Resource Center
518 Rte One, Box 4, Kittery, ME 03904
207-438-9100
Fax: 207-439-8764
diane at keysregion.org
www.keysregion.org

On Aug 26, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Visuelle Protokolle wrote:

> Dear Pat,
>
> I try to make it short.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> best regards
>
> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE
> Kuchenmüller & Stifel
>
> tel +39-0566-88 929
> www.visuelle-protokolle.de
>
>
> If i see, that i can be of help for someone, i always jump. i don't  
> care then for selforganization, i simply go. or draw. For me it is  
> fine, that you and me are different.
>
> Is this not self organization?  Self organization is not self  
> conscious it just does in my understanding.  YES.
>
> I like of course, what Birgitt is writing in her parallel mail. So  
> i am glad, that we had this dialogue, and am open to continue it  
> ore leave it like that, because the important things have been  
> said. I would rather draw what i feel, but this listserve is  
> textbased.
>
> I am not sure whether this group is tex based or not, I am not text  
> based.  In reading the posts I imagine people have many primary  
> modality possibilies.  The listserve is text based for sure.  I do  
> not know if there is any other way to participate on the list  
> except through text.  I appreciate some attempts at using  
> keystrokes to create visual images although that would not satisfy  
> my visual expression.  I also appreciate Lisa's attempt to distill  
> discussion threads into poetry.  So far on this list that has been  
> the most staisfying visual expression.  Her last poem distilled out  
> of the posts on one topic was for me beautiful and moved me  
> emotionally to tears so the experience is the same for me as a  
> picture.  My question is how would you use the listserve to be more  
> visually expressive?  How can people become more comfortable  
> operating in visual expression while here?
>
> I don't know much about listservs and security. maybe there might  
> be a parallel list, where images are allowed.
>
> So we can sit inbeteen the people and hear, see, feel what is going  
> on. We use the 'Visual Language', a combination of images and  
> words. we work with feltpens on cards, which we hang in rows of 6  
> to form a picture wall, where everybody can see, what was said, and  
> also ask for corrections and additions. At the end mostly we  
> transform these images into a slideshow of some minutes to let the  
> day flow by, because almost everybody has forgotten more than 50 %  
> of what he heard, saw and did during a day.
>
> Could a photographer participate in the same way?  Would a  
> photagrapher sitting in the group as you describe documenting  
> through photographs serve the same purpose?  If not what is  
> different in what the visual photographers do?
>
> we draw the content, not the people.
>
> C. We prepare sessions, conferences etc. with metaphorical maps,  
> after gathering the content in interviews we document in drawings.  
> That can take
> some months.
>
> So is what important here and perhaps absent on the list  
> metaphors?  Do you think what we need to do as facilitators of any  
> variety be more intentional about metaphor?  Should there be more  
> intentional time spent on discovering the metaphors that show up to  
> the event and that influence questions and their answers?
>
> I have experienced that metaphors come by themselves, if there is  
> an inviting atmosphere. so you only have to listen carefully !!!  
> and to catch them.
>
> For Open Space it would be beautiful to always have paper and  
> colors available, flipchartsize or bigger. Colors might be broad  
> (!!!) felt pens, chalk, crayons (careful with carpet floors), water  
> colors. Yes, a person to introduce and help is helpful, but not  
> necessary. But you must show the possibilities of using these  
> materials as something normal.
>
> And maybe you experiment with people documenting with drawings, on  
> big or small paper!!!
>
> The drawing should not be the theme, but a byproduct. That is one  
> reason i don't call me an artist.
>
> I would agree with everything you said in the previous paragraph.   
> I would add that a person to demonstrate the possibilities of  
> visual expression is needed also to show how to enter into the  
> process and to discover the metaphors revealed by drawings no  
> matter how primitive or unstaisfying to the drawer.  In my somewhat  
> limitied open space experience, paper and colored markers have  
> always been present.  So the tools are there but it seems the  
> visual person may not always be identified.  I also agree that a  
> great number of literate people have competency issues with art and  
> music that stifle there willingness to do it and their  
> understanding of the value of what can be expressed by someone who  
> is not fluent in the language.  My fluency allows me to see where  
> fluency can be nurtured in another, how to enter in.  I am  
> wondering how you envision the best way for this to happen in an  
> open space format?  What can you imagine in the open space format?
> Thanks for the dialouge
> Pat Black
> images are about 40.000 years old, written texts  5.000 years.  
> Scientists say, that we think in images and then translate them  
> into words. I am no scientist, but I am shure, that all of us have  
> the world of images within us, and it gets alive once it is  
> touched. Society has banned many creative expressions, so it needs  
> some digging.
>
> Someone responsable for singing, dancing, drawing, playing is as  
> important as someone for speaking and writing.
>
> One easy way is to offer drawing - for example drawing a story - as  
> theme of an open space session, so people get used to it.
>
> Our societiy is overflooded with images, prefabricated images,  
> films, tv, ads etc. but people are hungry for the real stuff,  
> alive, fitting in the moment, handdrawn, amateurlike. I have  
> experienced that in about 400 sessions.
>
> Good luck!
>
>  Reinhard
>
>
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