Edinburgh festival.. an Open space event
Vliex, Carla (cvl)
CVL at tg.nl
Sun Apr 9 11:07:54 PDT 2006
Being not a native speaker and getting quite curious: WHAT IS A POTLATCH??
Carla from the Netherlands
Met vriendelijke groet,
drs. Carla Vliex
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Van: OSLIST namens Harrison Owen
Verzonden: do 6-4-2006 13:38
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Onderwerp: Re: Edinburgh festival.. an Open space event
I guess I must have attended a rogue Potlatch - but they do some funny things in Alaska.
Harrison
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Corrigan
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:18 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: Edinburgh festival.. an Open space event
Just a technical piece...potlatches are about as far from Open Space as you can imagine. They are highly structured and controlled events and there is very little tolerance for anything that lies outside of the control of the people that are responsible for given parts of the ceremonies. In fact, working here on the west ocast of North America, where the feasting culture is integral to traditional forms of governance, using Open Space sometimes becomes a real challenge.
On the other hand, most people i work with who stop to think about it agree that Open Space resonates on a deeper level and taps something that seems to lie at the heart of many different traditional and indigenous cultures.
But potlatches...woowhee...they would drive you around the bend, Harrison!
Chris
On 4/5/06, Harrison Owen < hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net> > wrote:
Diane -- Surprise! And guess where a major part of the inspiration for Open
Space came from? Indigenous Market places! All of which work pretty much the
same was as a Potlatch. Same old, same old :-)
Harrison
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Diane
Brandon
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:39 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: Edinburgh festival.. an Open space event
Chris's comment resonated for me. Our family has had some wonderful
weekends centered around an indigenous pow wow. Usually it's a full
weekend - sleep over two nights - and there are lots of things going on
-- food vendors, arts and crafts vendors, children's games, always the
circle in the center, drumming much of the time, dances of many sorts,
great ceremonial dress, some or all dances open to all (some for
skilled dancers only), story telling, flute playing, sometimes sweat
lodges, sometimes workshops on healing/spiritual topics or on making
things, and nothing requires attendance! Many people sit around their
campsites, sleep, talk at picnic tables, swim in the river where that's
an option, take care of kids -- oh yes, all ages are welcome and are
there, with a lot of honor for elders (much appreciated by this
grandmother) and for veterans (something I was on the fence about - but
my husband was in the Navy for 4 years in the Vietnam era, and it means
so much to him to dance in the veterans' honoring dance, and I get to
join him.... so I've warmed to it). Many people camp out in tents and
trailers, so we live together for the weekend, and the cost is minimal.
There's plenty of room for offering what you want to offer, if not in a
more formal way, then via your own campsite and conversations there or
as you walk around. (I'm sure if you hang a flag at your campsite about
your topic, you'll attract some interest!) The place-basedness of it,
and all the preparation that goes into it on the part of the tribe or
tribes or individuals that organize it (they usually include one free
feast, and often a give-away), seem core to the sense of deep
satisfaction people get from going to these weekends. I think it's very
close to Open Space!
Diane Brandon
Eliot, Maine
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Chris Weaver wrote:
> on a related large other topic, i am deeply interested in the overlap
> between ost and ceremony in indigenous traditions. festival life,
> which
> culminates on a specific piece of land for a specific period of time,
> has
> some fascinating resonance with ceremonial space/time. a topic to
> explore
> another time.
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>From Sun Apr 9 11:29:44 2006
Message-Id: <SUN.9.APR.2006.112944.0700.>
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:29:44 -0700
Reply-To: lisaheft at openingspace.net
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
Subject: Re: SOS for OS! [long]
In-Reply-To: <646c029a0604082145r1948042p95d0012fb639c81c at mail.gmail.com>
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Hi, dear Frank =96
=20
You wrote, describing your frustration about helping others see the OS
light=85:
<You make me laugh Lisa, calling me a crankypants! I can get so =
crankypants
about OS and I hate that. It blocks me from finding creative solutions =
and
making the quality of connections that could lead to productive
organizational transformation. I had a good nap today during some of the
committee meetings and got some good writing done. I also had a few
inspiring side conversations. I've also had some ideas for how I can =
invite
OS into this organization down the line through a more productive kind =
of
long term dialogue and relationship building. I just get so impatient
sometimes.>=20
Well that made me laugh in return. For any of you who may have met =
Frank
(who for this time and space has elevated himself to the title of Senior
Crankypants =96 not=85Se=F1or Crankypants, Frank?) =96 the title I feel =
more closely
describes Frank is Mr. WonderPants. =20
=20
Frank, you have such a joyful appreciation for co-learning, for =
discovery,
for play =85 and you are dedicated to making the world more wonderful =
though
our care for each other and for Mother Earth.
=20
Having said that, I understand your impatience. =20
=20
You know how it seems as if people do not think of using facilitators =
until
something is really breaking or hurting too much? To me, it is like how =
so
many people do not focus on proactive wellness but wait until their arm =
is
falling off before they go see a doctor or shift their diet. Humans, we =
are
delightful creatures, but we sometimes do not remember things our bodies =
may
already know. And we let our little brains make logical decisions, =
thinking
that is the smartest way to be.
=20
And what is it that the American comedian Emo Phillips says about the =
brain,
dear Eric Lilius?
=20
=93I used to think the brain was the most wonderful organ in the body.
=20
And then I realized it was telling me this.=94
=20
So we have big hearts (which we sometimes don=92t listen to) and big =
brains
and we forget that spirit, intuition, possibility, potential, breath, =
joy,
connection, co-creation=85is even bigger.
=20
Sometimes people don=92t think of using Open Space until things really =
hurt,
everything else they have tried has failed, and they have no other =
options.
=20
Sometimes when I=92ve facilitated a conference in Open Space a great =
number of
participants have said in Closing Circle that they never want to go back =
to
the conventional way of being in a conference again. And then the
conference host never does OS again because they did not feel =
comfortable
with the loss of (perceived) control.
=20
Sometimes I have done an Open Space conference-within-a-conference and =
it
has sucked all the most interesting people out of the regular =
conference,
because there was room to breathe, to name, to puzzle over, to share, to
ponder.
=20
Sometimes it has taken me years to gently revisit the idea of Open Space =
for
a certain conference each year, and for the first few years there is no
interest, then I get to do a little =91mini=92, then a bigger =
=91mini=92, then a
mid-sized OS, and so it grows.
=20
Sometimes after doing OS for years at a conference suddenly there will =
be a
new conference (or organizational) coordinator and they will decide to =
drop
OS because the new person in charge wants to make their mark (be known =
for
changing the design).
=20
Breathe=85.let go=85.breathe=85let
go=85breathe=85dance-play-work-share-explore-discover-celebrate=85let =
go=85
=20
=20
=20
Pardon my ramble.
=20
On a more practical note: I have found that naming other similar =
situations=85
=20
=91so-and-so intentional community has used OS in this way=92
=20
=91so-and-so co-housing community used OS for such-and-such=92
=20
=91you know, you can do a totally participant-driven knowledge and =
resources
exchange conference which is also a model used around the world for
sustainability, and it only takes 1 facilitator and it takes all the
headache out of handling proposals and selecting presenters=92
=20
=85is useful, as is naming certain deliverables that the person you are
talking with would be interested in. =20
=20
=20
Mrs. I-believe-in-youPants
___________________________
L i s a H e f t
Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
O p e n i n g S p a c e
<mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net> lisaheft at openingspace.net
<http://www.openingspace.net> www.openingspace.net=20
=20
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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>Hi, =
dear Frank –</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>You =
wrote,
describing your frustration about helping others see the OS =
light…:</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.25in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><<i><span style=3D'font-style:italic'>You =
make me
laugh Lisa, calling me a crankypants! I can get so crankypants about OS =
and I
hate that. It blocks me from finding creative solutions and making the =
quality
of connections that could lead to productive organizational =
transformation. I
had a good nap today during some of the committee meetings and got some =
good
writing done. I also had a few inspiring side conversations. I've also =
had some
ideas for how I can invite OS into this organization down the line =
through a
more productive kind of long term dialogue and relationship building. I =
just
get so impatient sometimes</span></i>.> <br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Well that made me laugh in return.=A0 =
For any
of you who may have met Frank (who for this time and space has elevated =
himself
to the title of Senior Crankypants – not…Se=F1or =
Crankypants, Frank?)
– the title I feel more closely describes Frank is Mr. =
WonderPants.=A0 </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Frank, you have such a joyful =
appreciation
for co-learning, for discovery, for play … and you are dedicated =
to
making the world more wonderful though our care for each other and for =
Mother
Earth.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Having said that, I understand your
impatience.=A0 </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>You know how it seems as if people do =
not
think of using facilitators until something is really breaking or =
hurting too
much?=A0 To me, it is like how so many people do not focus on proactive =
wellness
but wait until their arm is falling off before they go see a doctor or =
shift
their diet.=A0 Humans, we are delightful creatures, but we sometimes do =
not
remember things our bodies may already know.=A0 And we let our little =
brains make
logical decisions, thinking that is the smartest way to =
be.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>And what is it that the American =
comedian Emo
Phillips says about the brain, dear Eric Lilius?</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>“I used to =
think the
brain was the most wonderful organ in the body.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>And then I =
realized it was
telling me this.”</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>So we have big hearts (which we =
sometimes
don’t listen to) and big brains and we forget that spirit, =
intuition,
possibility, potential, breath, joy, connection, co-creation…is =
even
bigger.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Sometimes people don’t think of =
using
Open Space until things really hurt, everything else they have tried has
failed, and they have no other options.=A0 </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Sometimes when I’ve facilitated =
a
conference in Open Space a great number of participants have said in =
Closing Circle
that they never want to go back to the conventional way of being in a
conference again.=A0 And then the conference host never does OS again =
because
they did not feel comfortable with the loss of (perceived) =
control.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Sometimes I have done an Open Space
conference-within-a-conference and it has sucked all the most =
interesting
people out of the regular conference, because there was room to breathe, =
to
name, to puzzle over, to share, to ponder.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Sometimes it has taken me years to =
gently
revisit the idea of Open Space for a certain conference each year, and =
for the
first few years there is no interest, then I get to do a little =
‘mini’,
then a bigger ‘mini’, then a mid-sized OS, and so it =
grows.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Sometimes after doing OS for years at =
a
conference suddenly there will be a new conference (or organizational)
coordinator and they will decide to drop OS because the new person in =
charge
wants to make their mark (be known for changing the =
design).</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Breathe….let =
go….breathe…let
go…breathe…dance-play-work-share-explore-discover-celebrate&#=
8230;let
go…</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Pardon my ramble.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>On a more practical note: I have =
found that
naming other similar situations… </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'> </span></font></p>
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>From Sun Apr 9 11:44:42 2006
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Let me clarify what I said in the beginning of the last email I sent - what
made me laugh is not your impatience, Frank, but your calling yourself
Senior Crankypants. Because I see you as Mr. WonderPants.
LisaPants
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>From Sun Apr 9 17:45:32 2006
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You really do have to be a native speaker to get this one -- but "native" as
in 1st Nations. I think the word comes from the Aleuts or maybe their
Canadian Cousins the Inuit. Anyhow, it means one hell of a party.
Harrison
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Being not a native speaker and getting quite curious: WHAT IS A POTLATCH??
Carla from the Netherlands
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Onderwerp: Re: Edinburgh festival.. an Open space event
I guess I must have attended a rogue Potlatch - but they do some funny
things in Alaska.
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris
Corrigan
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:18 AM
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Subject: Re: Edinburgh festival.. an Open space event
Just a technical piece...potlatches are about as far from Open Space as you
can imagine. They are highly structured and controlled events and there is
very little tolerance for anything that lies outside of the control of the
people that are responsible for given parts of the ceremonies. In fact,
working here on the west ocast of North America, where the feasting culture
is integral to traditional forms of governance, using Open Space sometimes
becomes a real challenge.
On the other hand, most people i work with who stop to think about it agree
that Open Space resonates on a deeper level and taps something that seems to
lie at the heart of many different traditional and indigenous cultures.
But potlatches...woowhee...they would drive you around the bend, Harrison!
Chris
On 4/5/06, Harrison Owen < hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net> >
wrote:
Diane -- Surprise! And guess where a major part of the inspiration for Open
Space came from? Indigenous Market places! All of which work pretty much the
same was as a Potlatch. Same old, same old :-)
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Brandon
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:39 PM
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Chris's comment resonated for me. Our family has had some wonderful
weekends centered around an indigenous pow wow. Usually it's a full
weekend - sleep over two nights - and there are lots of things going on
-- food vendors, arts and crafts vendors, children's games, always the
circle in the center, drumming much of the time, dances of many sorts,
great ceremonial dress, some or all dances open to all (some for
skilled dancers only), story telling, flute playing, sometimes sweat
lodges, sometimes workshops on healing/spiritual topics or on making
things, and nothing requires attendance! Many people sit around their
campsites, sleep, talk at picnic tables, swim in the river where that's
an option, take care of kids -- oh yes, all ages are welcome and are
there, with a lot of honor for elders (much appreciated by this
grandmother) and for veterans (something I was on the fence about - but
my husband was in the Navy for 4 years in the Vietnam era, and it means
so much to him to dance in the veterans' honoring dance, and I get to
join him.... so I've warmed to it). Many people camp out in tents and
trailers, so we live together for the weekend, and the cost is minimal.
There's plenty of room for offering what you want to offer, if not in a
more formal way, then via your own campsite and conversations there or
as you walk around. (I'm sure if you hang a flag at your campsite about
your topic, you'll attract some interest!) The place-basedness of it,
and all the preparation that goes into it on the part of the tribe or
tribes or individuals that organize it (they usually include one free
feast, and often a give-away), seem core to the sense of deep
satisfaction people get from going to these weekends. I think it's very
close to Open Space!
Diane Brandon
Eliot, Maine
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Chris Weaver wrote:
> on a related large other topic, i am deeply interested in the overlap
> between ost and ceremony in indigenous traditions. festival life,
> which
> culminates on a specific piece of land for a specific period of time,
> has
> some fascinating resonance with ceremonial space/time. a topic to
> explore
> another time.
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>From Sun Apr 9 19:34:23 2006
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For a look at how the world press saw our conference check out
http://www.hommesdeparole.org/docs/Enpress.pdf
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