deep democracy
Chris Macrae
wcbn007 at easynet.co.uk
Wed Nov 9 11:00:29 PST 2005
Harrison -regarding missed points love all
REphrasing my question : what more could be done at the space or while people
are in its vicinty to work out how deep each person's deepest cause is? On
globalsiation causes such as here http://www.valuetrue.com/home/community.cfm?
startrow=4&intClassID=-1
I don't ask because I am capable of following up each cause but because I have
over 12 years logged up many people across world networks who are. Nothing de-
energises my 16 hour days as an open networker more than to spend my time
connecting someone who appeared to come out of an open space saying the number
1 humanitarian chnage that matters to them is X with the person amongst the
2000 I know from conversastions over a decade to be most committed to that
cause only to find later that the open space person is no longer that
interested in the cause. I agree people may good naturedly over-commit to all
sorts of good stuff when with kindred spirits without fully reckoning how much
time it will take. But I would like some way whilst we are all there in real
time and real space of working out who is most deeply committed. Suppose there
are 100 activists there, I would rather have left the open space finding 10
that really had mentioned their number 1 cause for life than 50 great causes
but not knowing who will be a cause holder for what. It's like some gigantic
game of snap, where OS seems to me to miss a trick!
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Chris, I think you still are missing the point, at least my point. The core
issue, as I see it, is not OS as a method, but rather the passion of the
people involved which might lead them to follow through on their commitments,
or at least apparent commitments. People make choices with their time and
their lives. What may seem critical at the moment will often become a minor
concern when seen in the larger scheme of things. And maybe more to the point,
what you may deem to be critical, may not appear in the same light to others.
And by the same token, your schedule for follow through may not be theirs. Of
course we could, can and do extend the possibility for action electronically
and with follow on gatherings. In effect we can and must make every effort to
keep the space open. But at the end of the day, and indeed on every day -- it
is the peoples' choice.
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Chris wrote: "Nothing de-energises my 16 hour days as an open networker more
than to spend my time connecting someone who appeared to come out of an open
space saying the number 1 humanitarian change that matters to them is X
....only to find later that the open space person is no longer that
interested in the cause."
Chris my friend -- if you ever manage to find, or better yet invent, the
answer to your prayers -- you will instantaneously become a
multi-billionaire. For you will have unearthed the Holy Grail of every
Salesperson on the planet: identifying and holding dedicated, committed
customers at close to the 100% level. Sure you can raise your chances and
narrow the odds, but as all sales people know, lots of shoe leather on the
pavement comes with the territory. Sorry for the 16 hour days!
Actually, I think OS does quite a bit to advance your interest and narrow
the odds. At the very least you can be reasonably well assured that anybody
who cares enough to come presumably cares something about the issue at hand
(whatever that might be). And of that total group, some smaller subset will
care enough to raise some aspect of the issue at hand -- and if they raise
it with passion, focus, logic, and commitment, you may well have your
man/woman. And you haven't done a thing but watch. I'd call that pretty
energy efficient! -- But of course, that person may turn out to be a fraud.
You just can't tell, but the odds are tilting more in your favor. :-)
Sorry to go on so -- but the focusing/narrowing that occurs naturally in any
OS is something I find that many people miss. Amidst all the effusion of
ideas, energy -- to say nothing of chaos -- a rather precise process of
self-selection and identification is going on. For a client interested in
identifying potential leadership, taking note of who steps forward to claim
their passion with responsibility will produce a short list of likely
candidates. It may not be perfect, but it is surely a good place to start.
Harrison
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Subject: Re: deep democracy
Harrison -regarding missed points love all
REphrasing my question : what more could be done at the space or while
people
are in its vicinty to work out how deep each person's deepest cause is? On
globalsiation causes such as here
http://www.valuetrue.com/home/community.cfm?
startrow=4&intClassID=-1
I don't ask because I am capable of following up each cause but because I
have
over 12 years logged up many people across world networks who are. Nothing
de-
energises my 16 hour days as an open networker more than to spend my time
connecting someone who appeared to come out of an open space saying the
number
1 humanitarian chnage that matters to them is X with the person amongst the
2000 I know from conversastions over a decade to be most committed to that
cause only to find later that the open space person is no longer that
interested in the cause. I agree people may good naturedly over-commit to
all
sorts of good stuff when with kindred spirits without fully reckoning how
much
time it will take. But I would like some way whilst we are all there in
real
time and real space of working out who is most deeply committed. Suppose
there
are 100 activists there, I would rather have left the open space finding 10
that really had mentioned their number 1 cause for life than 50 great causes
but not knowing who will be a cause holder for what. It's like some gigantic
game of snap, where OS seems to me to miss a trick!
------------
Chris, I think you still are missing the point, at least my point. The core
issue, as I see it, is not OS as a method, but rather the passion of the
people involved which might lead them to follow through on their
commitments,
or at least apparent commitments. People make choices with their time and
their lives. What may seem critical at the moment will often become a minor
concern when seen in the larger scheme of things. And maybe more to the
point,
what you may deem to be critical, may not appear in the same light to
others.
And by the same token, your schedule for follow through may not be theirs.
Of
course we could, can and do extend the possibility for action electronically
and with follow on gatherings. In effect we can and must make every effort
to
keep the space open. But at the end of the day, and indeed on every day --
it
is the peoples' choice.
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