Thoughts on Self Organizing

Wed May 25 20:47:23 PDT 2005

Cheryl, Douglas and all,

yes "Community Weaver" is a great title. I love it especially, because my Surname (Weber) means weaver in english, and I try to make sense of and utilize this "given" and therefore got an implicit understanding of my self as a community weaving practicioner over the years. You put the word into the open, made it explicit. I will use it from now on to explain what I am doing. So I have to thank you.
Bernd

Am Wed, 25 May 2005 17:44:42 -0400, schrieb Douglas D. Germann, Sr.:
> Cheryl--
>
> Transformative Community Building--that is an evocative phrase, one
> I like, a lot. How did you choose it? What does it say to you,
> Cheryl?
>
> I also love that "Community Weaver" title.
>
> :-Doug. Germann
> Seeking people making community change. Community Disorganizer
>
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>From  Wed May 25 22:08:09 2005
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Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:08:09 -0700
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Years ago I found a great article from McKinsey about why strategic plannin=
g=20
doesn't work. You can download it here:

http://www.chriscorrigan.com/facilitation/Strategic%20planning%20doesn't%20=
work.pdf

Chris

On 5/24/05, Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
>=20
> I agree that planning is useful. But it is also important to recognize=20
> what Planning does. And it does not create the future! At best it is an=
=20
> imperfect map of what we THINK (hope, expect)the future might be. Plannin=
g=20
> documents are very useful for checking off things along the way (to the=
=20
> future). They are miserable when it come to prediction. This is not all b=
ad.=20
> for in many situations -- what you planed is so much less than what you=
=20
> could accomplish -- that is you reached you "planned goals" -- you would =
be=20
> severely sub-optimized (to speak in the acceptable jargon.
>  Harrison
>  Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> Potomac, MD 20854
> USA
> 301-365-2093
> 207-763-3261 (summer)
> website www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
> www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> *From:* Craig Gilliam <wcraiggilliam at hotmail.com>=20
> *To:* OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:04 AM
> *Subject:* Craig
>=20
> Harrison and all:
>=20
> I ma trying to thinkg through the concept of Strategic Planning. It seems
> to me that Strategic Planning is somewhat outdated and a concept that is
> overly rationalistic while lacking depth and soul/spirit in many cases,=
=20
> but
> often weighted down with anxiety and lack of productivity (Or maybe I=20
> should
> say the way we often talk about it.). Any more, is the word, "watching fo=
r
> the emerging order" a better way to talk about and reflecting on "plannin=
g
> for" the future? If so, what are the laws of emergence? As one listens or
> watches for emerging order, for what is one or a group watching?
>=20
> As I understand it, OS make space for it to emerge in a healthy way? Afte=
r=20
> a
> group senses an emerging order, does one plan, does one get out of the wa=
y
> so uit can happen, or a little of all?
>=20
> Any thoughts?
>=20
> I hope this makes some sense in its nonsense. I am still thinking this
> trhough.
>=20
> Thanks!
> Craig
>=20
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Years ago I found a great article from McKinsey about why strategic plannin=
g doesn't work.  You can download it here:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chriscorrigan.com/facilitation/Strategic%20planning%2=
0doesn't%20work.pdf">http://www.chriscorrigan.com/facilitation/Strategic%20=
planning%20doesn't%20work.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Chris<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5/24/05, <b class=3D"gmail=
_sendername">Harrison Owen</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:hhowen at comcast.net">hh=
owen at comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 padding-left: 1ex;">

<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I agree that planning is useful. But i=
t is also=20
important to recognize what Planning does. And it does not create the futur=
e! At=20
best it is an imperfect map of what we THINK (hope, expect)the future =
might=20
be.  Planning documents are very useful for checking off things a=
long=20
the way (to the future). They are miserable when it come to prediction. Thi=
s is=20
not all bad. for in many situations -- what you planed is so much less than=
 what=20
you could accomplish -- that is you reached you "planned goals" -=
- you would be=20
severely sub-optimized (to speak in the acceptable jargon.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Harrison</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font> </div>
<div>Harrison Owen<br>7808 River Falls Dr.<br>Potomac, MD =20
20854<br>USA<br>301-365-2093<br>207-763-3261 (summer)<br>website <a href=3D=
"http://www.openspaceworld.com" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.=
OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.openspaceworld.com</a><br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.openspaceworld.com" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.Ope=
nExtLink(window,event,this)">
www.openspaceworld.com</a> <br></div><div><span class=3D"e" id=3D"q_10410c3=
7e4aa8c16_1">
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0p=
x; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
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l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
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<b>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"wcraiggilliam at hotmail.com" href=3D"mailto:wcraiggilliam at hotma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event=
,this)">Craig Gilliam</a> </div>
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l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"OSLIST at LISTSERV.BO=
ISESTATE.EDU" href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target=3D"_bla=
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ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:04 A=
M
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l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Craig</div>
  <div><br></div>Harrison and all:<br><br>I ma trying to thinkg through the=
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  concept of Strategic Planning.  It seems<br>to me that Strategic Pla=
nning=20
  is somewhat outdated and a concept that is<br>overly rationalistic while=
=20
  lacking depth and soul/spirit in many cases, but<br>often weighted down w=
ith=20
  anxiety and lack of productivity (Or maybe I should<br>say the way we oft=
en=20
  talk about it.).  Any more, is the word, "watching for<br>the e=
merging=20
  order" a better way to talk about and reflecting on "planning<b=
r>for" the=20
  future?  If so, what are the laws of emergence?  As one listens=
=20
  or<br>watches for emerging order, for what is one or a group=20
  watching?<br><br>As I understand it, OS make space for it to emerge in a=
=20
  healthy way? After a<br>group senses an emerging order, does one plan, do=
es=20
  one get out of the way<br>so uit can happen, or a little of all?<br><br>A=
ny=20
  thoughts?<br><br>I hope this makes some sense in its nonsense.  I am=
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  still thinking=20
  this<br>trhough.<br><br>Thanks!<br>Craig<br><br>*<br>*<br>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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>From  Wed May 25 23:10:33 2005
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Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:10:33 -0700
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To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
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Once because I was tired and therefore more absent minded than usual, *I*=
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left out the Law.=20

It still worked.

Chris

On 5/25/05, Michael Herman <mjherman at gmail.com> wrote:
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> sometimes when it seems that i have some extra time and space in
> myself or in the room when i 'm doing the opening briefing, i
> sometimes note for participants that the principles were not designed
> in advance, 'not prescription, but 'description,' i sometimes say,
> 'based on the experience of folks who'd been using this approach for
> some time.'
>=20
> and yet it is also true that i am writing, scripting these posters adn
> principles before these people, my audience in taht moment, have
> actually had that experience. so easy it is for me to forget how
> strange these things must still sound to normal folks, 'real humans,'
> as harrison sometimes says. <grin> and if i didn't think they gave
> some shape to the space, then i might feel better about leaving them
> off. sometimes i do leave them off, but mostly i don't .
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> this also reminds me that not so long ago, harrison asked about not
> doing one more thing, and we spent some time stripping away the few
> bits that make open space 'a thing we do.' if i remember right,
> mostly we agreed that we could 'not do' just about everything, but we
> dare not leave out the Law.
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> michaelh
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 5/26/05, Therese Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am sending you a comforting hush, Wendy. Nothing has gone awry.
> > Whatever has happened is the only thing that could or should. In the
> > next moment, something else will happen and then something else again.
> >
> > A thought experiment, of all things, does not have one right perfect=20
> answer.
> >
> > On 5/24/05, Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <wendy at xe.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Absolutely. After I posted I realized that prescription was the wrong=
=20
> word
> > > and would probably twist my intention. I don't have the right word=20
> yet.
> > > Will try again when I find it.
> > >
> > > Again, we seem to be issuing invitations that are going awry. My
> > > invitation was merely to engage in a thought experiment and see what=
=20
> new
> > > learning or insight it might reveal...Ah, well...
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > W.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Harrison Owen
> > > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
> > >
> > >
> > > Wendy -- the principles were not (as is usually the case) worked out=
=20
> in
> > > advance as prescriptions of what ought to happen. Rather they were
> > > observations by myself and many others as to what actually did happen=
.=20
> The
> > > same would be true with the Law. Not an "ought" but an "is."
> > >
> > > Is this right? I don't know, but that is the way it happened. Wheneve=
r=20
> I say
> > > Principles and Law -- I always smile, because I know it/they are not=
=20
> what
> > > people usually expect.
> > >
> > > Harrison
> > >
> > >
> > > Harrison Owen
> > > 7808 River Falls Dr.
> > > Potomac, MD 20854
> > > USA
> > > 301-365-2093
> > > 207-763-3261 (summer)
> > > website www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
> > > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wendy Farmer-O'Neil
> > > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
> > >
> > > Hmmm...this is interesting...
> > >
> > > I guess I made an assumption somewhere along the line here, that the=
=20
> actual
> > > principles of OST were freedom, self-organization, responsibility,=20
> caring,
> > > maturity, invitation, positivity, productive chaos, self-authorship,
> > > etc....And that the things we call "The Principles" and stick up on=
=20
> the wall
> > > are actually just part of the container we create to hold chaos at a
> > > manageable level for productive self-organization. Let me clarify a=
=20
> bit...I
> > > think I am seeing "The Principles" as what we use to inspire=20
> confidence in
> > > the process for the participants...most of whom have never encountere=
d=20
> OS
> > > before and find it a bit unsettling at first. They need some=20
> reassurance
> > > that what is happening is normal, okay and will work--in order to=20
> relax and
> > > give it try. In this regard, I think a certain amount of prescription=
=20
> would
> > > be okay, if not perhaps even necessary? I may be completely wrong.
> > >
> > > This leads me to wondering...How would things change if we just had=
=20
> the Law?
> > > Not that i'm suggesting this at all...it just makes me go hmmmm....
> > >
> > > And yonder bi-furcated post-metamorphosis caterpillar with the=20
> ricepaper
> > > fans causes updrafts of great significance in the Easternmost Orient=
=20
> once
> > > again...
> > > Well...that is how Bi-Coloured Python Rock Snakes always talk.
> > > O Best Beloved...
> > > Wendy
> > >
> > > PS, Harrison: I'll bring my Kipling to Halifax if you'll bring=20
> yours...;-)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Masud Sheikh" <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
> > > To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:40 PM
> > > Subject: Re: leverage points
> > >
> > >
> > > > Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >>Actually, I don't think it is as much of an "assumption" as a=20
> blinding
> > > > flash of the obvious. Those who came are the only ones there! And=
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> the
> > > > reason they are there is that they cared enough to come. That does=
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> not
> > > > make all those who didn't come bad, immoral, or terrible -- but the=
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> > > > of the matter is that they didn't care enough to come. Now maybe th=
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Once because I was tired and therefore more absent minded than usual, =
 *I* left out the Law.  <br>
<br>
It still worked.<br>
<br>
Chris<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5/25/05, <b class=3D"gmail=
_sendername">Michael Herman</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:mjherman at gmail.com">m=
jherman at gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex=
; padding-left: 1ex;">
sometimes when it seems that i have some extra time and space in<br>myself =
or in the room when i 'm doing the opening briefing, i<br>sometimes note fo=
r participants that the principles were not designed<br>in advance, 'not pr=
escription, but 'description,' i sometimes say,
<br>'based on the experience of folks who'd been using this approach for<br=
>some time.'<br><br>and yet it is also true that i am writing, scripting th=
ese posters adn<br>principles before these people, my audience in taht mome=
nt, have
<br>actually had that experience.  so easy it is for me to forget=
 how<br>strange these things must still sound to normal folks, 'real humans=
,'<br>as harrison sometimes says.  <grin>  and if=
 i didn't think they gave<br>
some shape to the space, then i might feel better about leaving them<br>off=
.  sometimes i do leave them off, but mostly i don't .<br><br>thi=
s also reminds me that not so long ago, harrison asked about not<br>doing o=
ne more thing, and we spent some time stripping away the few
<br>bits that make open space 'a thing we do.'  if i remember rig=
ht,<br>mostly we agreed that we could 'not do' just about everything, but w=
e<br>dare not leave out the Law.<br><br>michaelh<br><br><br><br><br>On 5/26=
/05, Therese Fitzpatrick <
<a href=3D"mailto:therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com">therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.=
com</a>> wrote:<br>> I am sending you a comforting hush, Wendy. =
 Nothing has gone awry.<br>> Whatever has happened is the only thin=
g that could or should.  In the
<br>> next moment, something else will happen and then something else ag=
ain.<br>><br>> A thought experiment, of all things, does not have one=
 right perfect answer.<br>><br>> On 5/24/05, Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <
<a href=3D"mailto:wendy at xe.net">wendy at xe.net</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br=
>> > Absolutely.  After I posted I realized that prescripti=
on was the wrong word<br>> > and would probably twist my intention.&n=
bsp; I don't have the right word yet.
<br>> > Will try again when I find it.<br>> ><br>> > Agai=
n,  we seem to be issuing invitations that are going awry. &=
nbsp;My<br>> > invitation was merely to engage in a thought experimen=
t and see what new
<br>> > learning or insight it might reveal...Ah, well...<br>> &gt=
;<br>> ><br>> > Thanks,<br>> > W.<br>> ><br>> &g=
t; ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: Harrison Owen<br>> &g=
t; To:=20
<a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTAT=
E.EDU</a><br>> ><br>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:39 PM<br>=
> > Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it<br>
> ><br>> ><br>> > Wendy -- the principles were not (as is=
 usually the case) worked out in<br>> > advance as prescriptions of w=
hat ought to happen. Rather they were<br>> > observations by myself a=
nd many others as to what actually did happen. The
<br>> > same would be true with the Law. Not an "ought" but=
 an "is."<br>> ><br>> > Is this right? I don't know, =
but that is the way it happened. Whenever I say<br>> > Principles and=
 Law -- I always smile, because I know it/they are not what
<br>> > people usually expect.<br>> ><br>> > Harrison<br>=
> ><br>> ><br>> > Harrison Owen<br>> > 7808 River F=
alls Dr.<br>> > Potomac, MD  20854<br>> > USA<br>>=
 > 301-365-2093
<br>> > 207-763-3261 (summer)<br>> > website <a href=3D"http://=
www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a><br>> > <a href=3D"=
http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a><br>> ><br>&=
gt; >
<br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: Wendy Farmer-=
O'Neil<br>> > To: <a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">O=
SLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 =
7:58 PM
<br>> > Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it<=
br>> ><br>> > Hmmm...this is interesting...<br>> ><br>&gt=
; > I guess I made an assumption somewhere along the line here, that the=
 actual
<br>> > principles of OST were freedom, self-organization, responsibi=
lity, caring,<br>> > maturity, invitation, positivity, productive cha=
os, self-authorship,<br>> > etc....And that the things we call "=
The Principles" and stick up on the wall
<br>> > are actually just part of the container we create to hold cha=
os at a<br>> > manageable level for productive self-organization.&nbs=
p; Let me clarify a bit...I<br>> > think I am seeing "The P=
rinciples" as what we use to inspire confidence in
<br>> > the process for the participants...most of whom have never en=
countered OS<br>> > before and find it a bit unsettling at first.&nbs=
p; They need some reassurance<br>> > that what is happening is n=
ormal, okay and will work--in order to relax and
<br>> > give it try.  In this regard, I think a certain amo=
unt of prescription would<br>> > be okay, if not perhaps even necessa=
ry?  I may be completely wrong.<br>> ><br>> > This le=
ads me to wondering...How would things change if we just had the Law?
<br>> > Not that i'm suggesting this at all...it just makes me go hmm=
mm....<br>> ><br>> > And yonder bi-furcated post-metamorphosis =
caterpillar with the ricepaper<br>> > fans causes updrafts of great s=
ignificance in the Easternmost Orient once
<br>> > again...<br>> > Well...that is how Bi-Coloured Python R=
ock Snakes always talk.<br>> > O Best Beloved...<br>> > Wendy<b=
r>> ><br>> > PS, Harrison:  I'll bring my Kipling to =
Halifax if you'll bring yours...;-)
<br>> ><br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: =
"Masud Sheikh" <<a href=3D"mailto:masheikh at COGECO.CA">masheikh=
@COGECO.CA</a>><br>> > To: <<a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.B=
OISESTATE.EDU">
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>><br>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, =
2005 3:40 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: leverage points<br>> ><br>>=
 ><br>> > > Harrison Owen <<a href=3D"mailto:hhowen at comcast.=
net">
hhowen at comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>> > >>Actually, I don't th=
ink it is as much of an "assumption" as a blinding<br>> > &=
gt; flash of the obvious. Those  who came are the only ones there=
! And the
<br>> > > reason they are there is that they cared enough to come.=
 That does not<br>> > > make all those who didn't come bad, immora=
l, or terrible -- but the fact<br>> > > of the matter is that they=
 didn't care enough to come. Now maybe the next
<br>> > > time they would feel differently -- care more. Make the =
necessary<br>> > > arrangements, or sacrifices!  But for=
 this particular Open Space -- those<br>> > > who care came. And C=
ARING is the sole criteria for entry. That alone makes
<br>> > > them the "right people." No Caring -- no come.=
..<br>> > >><br>> > >>And why would this be true? W=
ell, I think Open Space is all about passion<br>> > > and responsi=
bility. And if you don't CARE -- no passion, and little hope
<br>> > > of accepting responsibility. Who on earth would take res=
ponsibility for<br>> > > something they don't care about?<br>> =
> >><br>> > > We have been through this before, Harrison.=
 I find it judgmental (being
<br>> > > judgmental myself, I know judgment when I see it :-)) Ho=
w about changing<br>> > > it to: "Those who felt invited, cam=
e"?<br>> > > Masud<br>> > ><br>> > > *<br>
> > > *<br>> > ><br>> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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