an attempt at an answer

[Raffi Aftandelian]

Therese,

All your points are well-taken. I agree with you absolutely.

That said, I think there is still something to what I have written. I
don't think it is all nonsense. And while it is all about me, it also
not just about me.

I felt the same way about the sexism thread, Therese-- that you were
right to call me on my stuff. And that nevertheless, I was not/am not
talking nonsense.

And if what I said is indeed relevant and had its place it will make
itself clear in due time.

I  bring myself as fully here as I can, I appreciate that many others
match that.

Thank you,
Raffi


Raffi Aftandelian wrote 23 ìàÿ 2005 ã., 11:27:18:

> Raffi writes:  " The other part of me thinks that Harrison is not modelling
>  "letting go." And I challenged him very forcefully on that score."

> The depth of your assumptions and demands astonishes me, Raffi. Where
> in the principles of open space technology does one member of a circle
> acquire the right to challenge another member to let go?  What is this
> letting go business?  And how is it that you have determined that the
> time has come for Harrison to let go?  And how have you determined
> that he has not let go?  or that he should?  You seem to think there
> is something that is supposed to happen that is within Harrison's
> control that has not yet happened.

> Harrison has no responsibility to let go of anything.

> And Harrison and no one has any responsibility to let go on your
> timetable, Raffi.

> And you, Raffi, has no authority to challenge forcefully.

> I redirect your attention to Lisa's comment, Raffi, and renew her
> suggestion that you are giving Harrison way too much power.

> I have been personally acquainted with a handful of brilliant,
> well-known visionaries and I include Harrison among them.  I have met
> him a few times but don't really know him well.  Even so, I can tell
> you that out of all the visionaries I have personally known, I have
> never met one who comes close to Harrison's genuine embrace of
> equality in collaboration.  If you are reading Harrison's words as
> having more power than anyone else's, the power dynamic that you might
> need to shift probably lies wtihin you, Raffi.  I am just about
> certain that if you have a sense of uneven power between yourself and
> Harrison, it is not coming from him.


> Raffi also wrote:  "The whole 'what have welearned' thread and its
> tone as started by Harrison screamed with attachment to outcome to
> me."

> In this statement, Raffi, you tell us quite a lot about you.  When I
> read Harrison's invitation to write about 'what have we learned', I
> experienced it as a genuine invitation.  I assumed it reflected a
> genuine inquiry on Harrison's part to find out what others might have
> to say. I believed Harrison asked because he wanted to hear what
> people would say and that the only outcome Harrison was attached to
> was whatever people wrote in response.

> I challenge you, Raffi, to examine yourself and understand why you
> heard an attachment to outcome in Harrison's very simple invitation.
> The attachment, Raffi, is yours, not Harrison's.

> I would actually like to know what outcome you, Raffi, think Harrison
> might have been attached to when he asked 'what have we learned'?

> I remain utterly amazed that you persist in thinking you, Raffi, know
> what Harrison should do.  And I am flabbergasted that you think you
> have the right to forcefully challenge him or anyone to let go when
> you think they should let go.  You seem to think you are keeping the
> cosmic clock for us.

> How I wish that everyone would do things on my timetable and that
> everyone would take it for granted that my beliefs about their
> behavior should take precedence over their own.



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 Raffi                          mailto:raffi at bk.ru

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