OSLIST Digest - 24 May 2005 to 25 May 2005 (#2005-142)
David Smith
imaginac at bigpond.net.au
Wed May 25 23:49:14 PDT 2005
Dear All,
I must add comments re so-called "strategic planning".
Henry Mintzberg, in his book "The Rise and Fall of Strategic Planning" (NY:
1994 The Free Press) argues that "strategic planning" is an oxymoron.
"Strategy cannot be planned because planning is about analysis and strategy
is about synthesis" (quote from cover notes of the book). This is an
important perspective because Mintzberg is widely credited with having
coined the concept during the early '80s.
As I see it, planning is what we do in advance in order to steer ourselves
towards achievable goals. Strategy, on the other hand, is about responding
rapidly to all those real-world glitches that interfere with our best-laid
plans and which could never have been foreseen at the time the plans were
made.
A navigator plots a course from New York to London. That's the plan. During
the flight unforeseen storms arise which force a re-think of the plotted
course. The new course is arrived at through a strategic response to the
altered circumstances. "How can we avoid the turbulence and yet still reach
London before running out of fuel?"
It was during seemingly interminable "strategic planning" meetings during my
time at a government organisation in Melbourne that I became so disenchanted
with management as it was being practised that I was open to new ways to run
organisations (I used to leave a copy of Mintzberg's book on the meeting
room table as a quiet statement of discontent...). At about this time I
heard Birgitt Bolton interviewed on the radio here in Melbourne, loved what
I was hearing, began correspondance with her and subsequently discovered
Father Brian S Bainbridge and Open Space.
Happy to discuss this further if you wish.
David
Dr David Smith
BSc(Hons) PhD FRSA
Director, imaginACTION pty ltd
www.imaginaction.net.au
imaginACTION
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2005 Australian Achiever Awards
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> There are 20 messages totalling 2286 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
> 1. New OS Stories from the Field - 2nd edition
> 2. A story from the field: talking stick (2)
> 3. leverage points (4)
> 4. from Ukraine (3)
> 5. Greetings from Ukrainian OS (2)
> 6. Thoughts on Self Organizing (2)
> 7. replacing?
> 8. Craig's question about Strategic Planning
> 9. leverage points & Control --I wish I had it (2)
> 10. a rather different place
> 11. Craig
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 02:10:19 -0600
> From: "Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation s.r.o.)"
> <holger at CHANGE-MANAGEMENT-TOOLBOOK.COM>
> Subject: New OS Stories from the Field - 2nd edition
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I have just uploaded the second, corrected version of the OS Reader:
> New Stories From the Field
>
> There were some nice bugs, e.g. ("When it's now over, it is not over").
>
> Some of the authors had a few comments.
>
> So, I would invite you to use the current version, downloadable
>
> as PDF (0.7 MB):
> http://www.change-management-toolbook.com/media/New_Stories.pdf
>
> or as MSWord file (6.5 MB)
> http://www.change-management-toolbook.com/media/New_Stories.doc
>
> Best regards,
> Holger Nauheimer
> Change Facilitation s.r.o.
>
> International Open Space Technology Facilitation Training
> Bratislava, Sep 4-7, 2005
> http://www.change-management-toolbook.com/about/training_2005_ostf.html
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:42:39 +0200
> From: WeBe TrainConsult <wb-trainconsult at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: A story from the field: talking stick
>
> Am Tue, 24 May 2005 17:47:40 +0200, schrieb Gerard Muller:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Earlier on I wrote I always ask the sponsor to choose and introduce
>> a talking stick.
>>
>> While most do not find this an easy thing to do, most select
>> something which I could not have thought of,
>> and more often than not the words they introduce the talking stick
>> with are something which, well, you would like to have in
>> writing....................
>>
>> No-one ever did, until last Saturday, and it is a beautiful example
>> I would like to share with you.
>>
>> The background: we have some 15.000 Somalians in Denmark, fugitives
>> from the war a decade ago.
>> Ninety percent are unemployed. Being foreigners, muslim and black
>> does not make it easier in Danish society to get a job.
>>
>> The question of the Open Space was:
>> "Many thousands Somalians would like to have a job soon - how do we
>> create that success ?"
>>
>> Participants: some hundred people. Somalians, employers, and others
>> somehow connected to the issue.
>>
>> And now for the talking stick, introduced by a Somali woman - here
>> are her words:
>>
>>
>> I have chosen to bring along a key to our closing round.
>>
>> Every single Somalian who was on his way to Denmark, had a dream We
>> all knew it would require hard work to realise that dream
>>
>> The dream was about getting a life with physical and social safety
>>
>> Among other things that means having a job to enable us to pay for
>> a place to live,
>> to have control over our lives, and have a sense of pride in
>> ourselves and thereby be respected in society.
>>
>> This key represents our dream.
>>
>> But it is as if this key does not fit to the keyhole we found here
>> in Denmark ...........
>>
>> However, Today we have created a new key.
>> The key to our dream, to our future.
>>
>> From Today onwards we will use this key to turn into the right
>> direction.
>>
>> We will turn it from left to right and will work hard to realise
>> the dream
>>
>>
>> Greetings from Denmark,
>>
>>
>> Gerard Muller
>> Open Space Institute Denmark
>> Phone: (+45) 21269621
>> Mail: gm at openspace.dk
>>
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:46:35 +0200
> From: WeBe TrainConsult <wb-trainconsult at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: A story from the field: talking stick
>
> Gerard and all
>
> I thank you for posting these moving words from the Somalian woman,
> they are of general truth for Africans who try to settle in Europe
> I think
>
> Best greetings from Mocambique to all after a long time of absence from
> the list
> Bernd Weber
>
> Am Tue, 24 May 2005 17:47:40 +0200, schrieb Gerard Muller:
> ..........
>>
>> I have chosen to bring along a key to our closing round.
>>
>> Every single Somalian who was on his way to Denmark, had a dream We
>> all knew it would require hard work to realise that dream
>>
>> The dream was about getting a life with physical and social safety
>>
>> Among other things that means having a job to enable us to pay for
>> a place to live,
>> to have control over our lives, and have a sense of pride in
>> ourselves and thereby be respected in society.
>>
>> This key represents our dream.
>>
>> But it is as if this key does not fit to the keyhole we found here
>> in Denmark ...........
>>
>> However, Today we have created a new key.
>> The key to our dream, to our future.
>>
>> From Today onwards we will use this key to turn into the right
>> direction.
>>
>> We will turn it from left to right and will work hard to realise
>> the dream
>>
>>
>> Greetings from Denmark,
>>
>>
>> Gerard Muller
>> Open Space Institute Denmark
>> Phone: (+45) 21269621
>> Mail: gm at openspace.dk
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:06:07 -0600
> From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
> Subject: Re: leverage points
>
> Therese Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com> wrote:
>>The principle "whoever comes are the right people" is, for me, the
>>most important principle in open space. And beyond open space, I
>>believe it is an essential principle for the solutions to intractable
>>human problems to emerge.
>
> Therese, I understand what you are saying, and what Harrison has been
> saying. The principle has a lot to do with "self-organizing" and not
> enough to do with the "goals of the system". Harrison confirmed his
> judgment, when he said only those who CARED enough to come, came.
>
> Who comes depends on so many other things. Please have a look at the
> thread named "access" "access..to space" and related threads from April
> (and perhaps earlier). Yesterday, there was a wonderful example about
> access in Gerard Muller's "Story from the Field: talking stick", where
> there was access to disadavanteged people.
>
> Consider one simple point: To what extent do invitations depend on who is
> giving the invitations? This happens whether you invite someone out to
> coffee, to your home, or to an OS Event. Would it make a difference as to
> who came if the wording of the principle got changed?
>
> I find the word 'RIGHT" judgmental rather than value neutral. If we say
> instead "those who felt invited", that says something about both the
> host/s and the invitee/s. Re strangers, they would "feel invited" in some
> way, for them to participate. The invitation may be implicit rather than
> explicit.
>
> And now Therese, it is time to use my two feet, and leave this space for
> other list members - to contemplate, participate, or move on from
> Take care
> Masud
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:42:48 +0200
> From: jotoepfer at boscop.de
> Subject: from Ukraine
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> right now Tuesday evening a thunderstorm has shut down all electricity. We
> are
> sitting at the dark bar drinking Moldavian Chardonnay wondering whether we
> will
> be able to send this message.
>
> After a full day of Open Space participants got into Action Planning this
> morning, producing 26 proposals resulting in 22 detailed next steps. Since
> we
> agreed to have a Learning Exchange for this crowd in November there will
> be a
> wonderful chance to see what will come out of it.
>
> Everybody spoke in the Closing Circle including one participant who took a
> whole
> minute of silence for herself and saying Thank You before she handed the
> talking stick (Jo's powerful piece of wood from the river Ob in Siberia,
> which
> has gone though more than two thousand hands) to the next person.
>
> A recurrent strain was their recall of early childhood learning
> experiences and
> their amazement at the harmonious atmosphere. which was part of their
> general
> theme. This against their experience in this transforming society.
>
> After lunch a four minute introduction by Michael and Jo in English and
> Russian
> into Open Space on Open Space. Sobering and down to earth. Even though
> they had
> a strenuous day they posted 18 issues and produced 19 reports in four
> hours.
>
> Before the electricity went off our team had copied all the reports for
> all the
> participants so that the book will be ready by tomorrow morning.
>
> Gads, the juice just came back after a 90 minute black out causing
> everybody at
> the bar to cheer and clap.
>
> One of the highlights today: Michael speaking in English during the
> Evening News
> and Jo not translating with varying participants jumping into the
> translator
> mode. High play, high laughing and a spirit reminiscent of what many of us
> are
> dreaming about: the InterActive Organization. here in the remote Ukrainian
> countryside.
>
> We hope this reaches you in good spirits at breakfast while we are
> enjoying
> Ukrainian folk singing by a group next to the bar.
>
> Jo and Michael
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:21:56 -0700
> From: Elwin and Joan <elwinandjoan at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: from Ukraine
>
> --- jotoepfer at boscop.de wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> "right now Tuesday evening a thunderstorm has shut down all
> electricity. We are sitting at the dark bar drinking Moldavian
> Chardonnay wondering whether we will be able to send this message.
> We hope this reaches you in good spirits at breakfast while we are
> enjoying Ukrainian folk singing by a group next to the bar."
>
> Jo and Michael,
>
> I am there with you! I can touch it, taste it, feel it!
>
> Keep the lights out :-)
>
> eg
>
> Elwin Guild
> Future Development International
> Baltimore
> elwinandjoan at yahoo.com
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:28:21 +0200
> From: Toke Paludan M=?ISO-8859-1?B?+A==?=ller <toke at interchange.dk>
> Subject: Re: from Ukraine
>
> Hi Friends
>
> Please enjoy the situation to the fullest...
>
> What else can you do ?
>
> Thinking of you with sweet memories of The Ukraine
>
> Many greetings
>
> - toke
>
> meaning has its own flow
> become one with it
> and flow
>
>
>
>
> On 25/05/05 16:21, "Elwin and Joan" <elwinandjoan at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> --- jotoepfer at boscop.de wrote:
>> Dear colleagues,
>> "right now Tuesday evening a thunderstorm has shut down all
>> electricity. We are sitting at the dark bar drinking Moldavian
>> Chardonnay wondering whether we will be able to send this message.
>> We hope this reaches you in good spirits at breakfast while we are
>> enjoying Ukrainian folk singing by a group next to the bar."
>>
>> Jo and Michael,
>>
>> I am there with you! I can touch it, taste it, feel it!
>>
>> Keep the lights out :-)
>>
>> eg
>>
>> Elwin Guild
>> Future Development International
>> Baltimore
>> elwinandjoan at yahoo.com
>>
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:03:02 +0100
> From: Andriy Klymyshyn <andklym at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Greetings from Ukrainian OS
>
> Dear friends,
>
> Ukrainian participants of the first training for OS
> facilitators are again with you! This is our fourth
> day in the Open Space! We are happy about it!
> We experienced some technical difficulties yesterday
> and had no opportunities to share our thoughts and
> emotions with you.
> Now we are here again!
> We are proud to tell you that today, using 'highly
> scientific technology' of lottery, a lucky part of us
> got the chance to facilitate our OS 'I am an OS
> facilitator'!
> It was really a great adventure for all of us!
> Do you remember your first experience? Can you share
> it with us, please?
>
> Lots of open love from Ukrainian Open Space.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:07:54 +0200
> From: Agneta Setterwall <agneta.setterwall at telia.com>
> Subject: Re: Greetings from Ukrainian OS
>
> Congratulations!
> Yes, I remember my first. Even if I was prepared I did several mistakes,
> saying things in the wrong order etc. Still everything went very well,
> the not so big group wanted to be effective, so they understood even
> what I did not tell them. I was a little ashamed, and at the same time
> happy and proud. Afterwords I thought that I could have practiced in
> advance in my own livingroom in a circle of my childrens dolls and
> teddybears...I still think that is a good idea, if you are a little
> nervous to do it for the first time.
> cheerfull from Sweden!
> Agneta Setterwall
>
> Andriy Klymyshyn wrote:
>
>>Dear friends,
>>
>>Ukrainian participants of the first training for OS
>>facilitators are again with you! This is our fourth
>>day in the Open Space! We are happy about it!
>>We experienced some technical difficulties yesterday
>>and had no opportunities to share our thoughts and
>>emotions with you.
>>Now we are here again!
>>We are proud to tell you that today, using 'highly
>>scientific technology' of lottery, a lucky part of us
>>got the chance to facilitate our OS 'I am an OS
>>facilitator'!
>>It was really a great adventure for all of us!
>>Do you remember your first experience? Can you share
>>it with us, please?
>>
>>Lots of open love from Ukrainian Open Space.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:44:42 -0400
> From: "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." <76066.515 at compuserve.com>
> Subject: Thoughts on Self Organizing
>
> Cheryl--
>
> Transformative Community Building--that is an evocative phrase, one I
> like,
> a lot. How did you choose it? What does it say to you, Cheryl?
>
> I also love that "Community Weaver" title.
>
> :-Doug. Germann
> Seeking people making community change.
> Community Disorganizer
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 07:47:23 +1000
> From: John Rapp <john.rapp at peithene.com>
> Subject: Re: replacing?
>
> Right on the button, michael. Lao tzu and gerry spence have written
> eloquently on this. Come to think of it: so has/did immanuel kant --
> and perhaps/probably a few others ... J.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:33 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: replacing?
>
> this might be cutting things a bit fine, but as we know, there are
> subtle differences in openspace that make a bigdifference. so try this
> on if you like...
>
> many times we hear os talked about as a "tool." makes sense enough.
> and what i've been suggesting where i can is that bulletin board,
> marketplace, circle, etc are tools. open space is a practice that is
> the skillful use and integration of many of these tools.
>
> i thnk it's worth making a distinction in this way not only about open
> space, but about other tings as well. perhaps the thing with this
> replacing business is not so much replacing os with something else, but
> replacing a 'tool' mind with a practice mind.
>
> m
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman Associates
> http://www.michaelherman.com
> ...inviting organizations into action
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:41:19 -0700
> From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
> Subject: Re: Craig's question about Strategic Planning
>
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> Hello, Craig -
>
> You wrote:
> <I am trying to thinking through the concept of Strategic Planning.
> ...As I understand it, OS make space for it to emerge in a healthy way?
> After a group senses an emerging order, does one plan, does one get out
> of the way so it can happen, or a little of all?>
>
> I have had clients do great work with strategic planning and Open Space.
>
> One shining example was a client (a local Catholic Diocese) who
> extensively surveyed their constituency for months before the Open
> Space, to get at what were the critical issues that deserved attention
> (therefore funding). Via surveying and clustering, they narrowed these
> down to 3 critical issues.
>
> (by the way the 3 issues were
> - Including Youth and Young Adults
> - Including Lay People in the Church
> - Living Catholic Social Teachings)
>
> Then they invited whomever wanted to (115 people came - ages 14-75, 4
> languages spoken) to two weekends (2 months apart) of Open Space - to
> think of strategies and programs under these 3 headings. Then they
> converged them into 3 items in each of the 3 categories. These were the
> items/projects to be funded for the coming 2 years. (they added a 4th
> critical issue: infrastructure - in other words, they looked for and
> made available the funding, staffing and other resources that would
> support whatever would come of this 'Critical Issues Workshop'
> (strategic planning process). The results of these two Open Space
> weekends' work became the strategic plan / the Pastoral Plan for the
> next few years.
>
> During these next several years they provided training to the
> constituents on how to apply for funding for programs fitting into these
> issue / funding areas, supported actions and programs coming out of all
> this, and they're still going strong on those programs (which are
> growing and changing with the times) a few years later.
>
> So rather than an executive team getting together in a vaccum to write
> funding structure around already existing programs/projects (hoping to
> shore them up for the coming year with a vague idea of projected
> growth/needs) they did some darn fine research, co-created a vision with
> concrete strategies/programs supporting it, and strong funding behind
> it, and at the same time the entire Diocese carried the seeds and
> flowers of that plan back out into their community and their ongoing
> work.
>
> Dream client.
>
> Cheers from Berkeley,
> Lisa
>
> ___________________________
> L i s a H e f t
> Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
> O p e n i n g S p a c e
> 2325 Oregon
> Berkeley, California
> 94705-1106 USA
> +01 510 548-8449
> lisaheft at openingspace.net
> www.openingspace.net
>
>
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> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
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> 10.0pt'>Hello, Craig -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>You wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.25in'><i =
> style=3D'mso-bidi-font-style:
> normal'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><I am trying to =
> thinking
> through the concept of Strategic Planning.<span =
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>
> </span>...As I understand it, OS make space for it to emerge in a =
> healthy way?
> After a group senses an emerging order, does one plan, does one get out =
> of the
> way so it can happen, or a little of =
> all?><o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>I have had clients do great work with strategic planning and =
> Open
> Space.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'><br>
> One shining example was a client (a local Catholic Diocese) who =
> extensively
> surveyed their constituency for months before the Open Space, to get at =
> what
> were the critical issues that deserved attention (therefore =
> funding).<span
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Via surveying and clustering, =
> they
> narrowed these down to 3 critical issues.<span =
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>
> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>(<span class=3DGramE>by</span> the way the 3 issues were =
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>- Including Youth and Young Adults<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>- Including Lay People in the =
> Church<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>- Living Catholic Social Teachings)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>Then they invited whomever wanted to (115 people came - ages =
> 14-75, 4
> languages spoken) to two weekends (2 months apart) of Open Space - to =
> think of
> strategies and programs under these 3 headings.<span
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Then they <span =
> class=3DGramE>converged</span>
> them into 3 items in each of the 3 categories.<span
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>These were the items/projects =
> to be
> funded for the coming 2 years. <span
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>(they added a =
> 4<sup>th</sup> critical
> issue: infrastructure – in other words, they looked for and made
> available the funding, staffing and other resources that would support =
> whatever
> would come of this ‘Critical Issues Workshop’ (strategic =
> planning
> process).<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The results of =
> these two
> Open Space weekends’ work became the strategic plan / the Pastoral =
> Plan
> for the next few years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>During these next several years they provided training to the =
> constituents
> on how to apply for funding for programs fitting into these issue / =
> funding
> areas, supported actions and programs coming out of all this, and =
> they're still
> going strong on those programs (which are growing and changing with the =
> times) a
> few years later.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>So rather than an executive team getting together in a <span
> class=3DSpellE>vaccum</span> to write funding structure around already =
> existing
> programs/projects (hoping to shore them up for the coming year with a =
> vague
> idea of projected growth/needs) they did some darn fine research, =
> co-created a
> vision with concrete strategies/programs supporting it, and strong =
> funding
> behind it, and at the same time the entire Diocese carried the seeds and
> flowers of that plan back out into their community and their ongoing =
> work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>Dream client…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>Cheers from Berkeley,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt'>Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
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>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
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> ont></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>L i s a<span =
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>
> </span>H e f t<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Consultant, Facilitator, =
> Educator<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>O p e n i n g<span =
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>
> </span>S p a c e<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>2325 Oregon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
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> California<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>94705-1106<span =
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>
> </span>USA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>+01 510 548-8449<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>lisaheft at openingspace.net<o:p></o:p></span></fon=
> t></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>www.openingspace.net =
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
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> style=3D'font-size:
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:56:08 -0700
> From: Norman Pefley <pefley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: leverage points
>
> I have enjoyed learning from this list since I was first introduced to OS
> by Lisa Heft in 2003. I would just like to add my thoughts to this thread.
> For me, the principle "whoever comes are the right people" is not about
> judgment, but rather about a mindset.
>
> For example, which group is likely to be more successful, one that takes
> the view that "whoever comes are the right people" or one that believes
> that "we don't have the right people here to discuss what we need to
> discuss"? To me, it's clear that the former will be more successful, since
> they start from the premise that they have the right group. And, through
> discussion, they may determine that they need to find others. In other
> words, we have the right people right now, and we may want to see if
> others
> are interested.
>
> All of this is not to say that, as Masud's comments indicate, efforts
> should not be made to invite a wide spectrum of participants. It's just
> that, in the moment, in the OS group, adopting the mindset that "whoever
> comes are the right people" seems to me to be quite effective.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Norman Pefley
> San Francisco
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
>> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>> Date: 5/25/05 6:25:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: leverage points
>>
>> Therese Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >The principle "whoever comes are the right people" is, for me, the
>> >most important principle in open space. And beyond open space, I
>> >believe it is an essential principle for the solutions to intractable
>> >human problems to emerge.
>>
>> Therese, I understand what you are saying, and what Harrison has been
>> saying. The principle has a lot to do with "self-organizing" and not
>> enough to do with the "goals of the system". Harrison confirmed his
>> judgment, when he said only those who CARED enough to come, came.
>>
>> Who comes depends on so many other things. Please have a look at the
>> thread named "access" "access..to space" and related threads from April
>> (and perhaps earlier). Yesterday, there was a wonderful example about
>> access in Gerard Muller's "Story from the Field: talking stick", where
>> there was access to disadavanteged people.
>>
>> Consider one simple point: To what extent do invitations depend on who is
>> giving the invitations? This happens whether you invite someone out to
>> coffee, to your home, or to an OS Event. Would it make a difference as to
>> who came if the wording of the principle got changed?
>>
>> I find the word 'RIGHT" judgmental rather than value neutral. If we say
>> instead "those who felt invited", that says something about both the
>> host/s and the invitee/s. Re strangers, they would "feel invited" in some
>> way, for them to participate. The invitation may be implicit rather than
>> explicit.
>>
>> And now Therese, it is time to use my two feet, and leave this space for
>> other list members - to contemplate, participate, or move on from
>> Take care
>> Masud
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:13:27 -0700
> From: Therese Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
>
> I am sending you a comforting hush, Wendy. Nothing has gone awry.
> Whatever has happened is the only thing that could or should. In the
> next moment, something else will happen and then something else again.
>
> A thought experiment, of all things, does not have one right perfect
> answer.
>
> On 5/24/05, Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <wendy at xe.net> wrote:
>>
>> Absolutely. After I posted I realized that prescription was the wrong
>> word
>> and would probably twist my intention. I don't have the right word yet.
>> Will try again when I find it.
>>
>> Again, we seem to be issuing invitations that are going awry. My
>> invitation was merely to engage in a thought experiment and see what new
>> learning or insight it might reveal...Ah, well...
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> W.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Harrison Owen
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
>>
>>
>> Wendy -- the principles were not (as is usually the case) worked out in
>> advance as prescriptions of what ought to happen. Rather they were
>> observations by myself and many others as to what actually did happen.
>> The
>> same would be true with the Law. Not an "ought" but an "is."
>>
>> Is this right? I don't know, but that is the way it happened. Whenever I
>> say
>> Principles and Law -- I always smile, because I know it/they are not what
>> people usually expect.
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>>
>> Harrison Owen
>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>> Potomac, MD 20854
>> USA
>> 301-365-2093
>> 207-763-3261 (summer)
>> website www.openspaceworld.com
>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Wendy Farmer-O'Neil
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
>>
>> Hmmm...this is interesting...
>>
>> I guess I made an assumption somewhere along the line here, that the
>> actual
>> principles of OST were freedom, self-organization, responsibility,
>> caring,
>> maturity, invitation, positivity, productive chaos, self-authorship,
>> etc....And that the things we call "The Principles" and stick up on the
>> wall
>> are actually just part of the container we create to hold chaos at a
>> manageable level for productive self-organization. Let me clarify a
>> bit...I
>> think I am seeing "The Principles" as what we use to inspire confidence
>> in
>> the process for the participants...most of whom have never encountered OS
>> before and find it a bit unsettling at first. They need some reassurance
>> that what is happening is normal, okay and will work--in order to relax
>> and
>> give it try. In this regard, I think a certain amount of prescription
>> would
>> be okay, if not perhaps even necessary? I may be completely wrong.
>>
>> This leads me to wondering...How would things change if we just had the
>> Law?
>> Not that i'm suggesting this at all...it just makes me go hmmmm....
>>
>> And yonder bi-furcated post-metamorphosis caterpillar with the ricepaper
>> fans causes updrafts of great significance in the Easternmost Orient once
>> again...
>> Well...that is how Bi-Coloured Python Rock Snakes always talk.
>> O Best Beloved...
>> Wendy
>>
>> PS, Harrison: I'll bring my Kipling to Halifax if you'll bring
>> yours...;-)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Masud Sheikh" <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
>> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: leverage points
>>
>>
>> > Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>Actually, I don't think it is as much of an "assumption" as a blinding
>> > flash of the obvious. Those who came are the only ones there! And the
>> > reason they are there is that they cared enough to come. That does not
>> > make all those who didn't come bad, immoral, or terrible -- but the
>> > fact
>> > of the matter is that they didn't care enough to come. Now maybe the
>> > next
>> > time they would feel differently -- care more. Make the necessary
>> > arrangements, or sacrifices! But for this particular Open Space --
>> > those
>> > who care came. And CARING is the sole criteria for entry. That alone
>> > makes
>> > them the "right people." No Caring -- no come...
>> >>
>> >>And why would this be true? Well, I think Open Space is all about
>> >>passion
>> > and responsibility. And if you don't CARE -- no passion, and little
>> > hope
>> > of accepting responsibility. Who on earth would take responsibility for
>> > something they don't care about?
>> >>
>> > We have been through this before, Harrison. I find it judgmental (being
>> > judgmental myself, I know judgment when I see it :-)) How about
>> > changing
>> > it to: "Those who felt invited, came"?
>> > Masud
>> >
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:01:07 +0100
> From: Michael Herman <mjherman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
>
> sometimes when it seems that i have some extra time and space in
> myself or in the room when i 'm doing the opening briefing, i
> sometimes note for participants that the principles were not designed
> in advance, 'not prescription, but 'description,' i sometimes say,
> 'based on the experience of folks who'd been using this approach for
> some time.'
>
> and yet it is also true that i am writing, scripting these posters adn
> principles before these people, my audience in taht moment, have
> actually had that experience. so easy it is for me to forget how
> strange these things must still sound to normal folks, 'real humans,'
> as harrison sometimes says. <grin> and if i didn't think they gave
> some shape to the space, then i might feel better about leaving them
> off. sometimes i do leave them off, but mostly i don't .
>
> this also reminds me that not so long ago, harrison asked about not
> doing one more thing, and we spent some time stripping away the few
> bits that make open space 'a thing we do.' if i remember right,
> mostly we agreed that we could 'not do' just about everything, but we
> dare not leave out the Law.
>
> michaelh
>
>
>
>
> On 5/26/05, Therese Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am sending you a comforting hush, Wendy. Nothing has gone awry.
>> Whatever has happened is the only thing that could or should. In the
>> next moment, something else will happen and then something else again.
>>
>> A thought experiment, of all things, does not have one right perfect
>> answer.
>>
>> On 5/24/05, Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <wendy at xe.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Absolutely. After I posted I realized that prescription was the wrong
>> > word
>> > and would probably twist my intention. I don't have the right word
>> > yet.
>> > Will try again when I find it.
>> >
>> > Again, we seem to be issuing invitations that are going awry. My
>> > invitation was merely to engage in a thought experiment and see what
>> > new
>> > learning or insight it might reveal...Ah, well...
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > W.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Harrison Owen
>> > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> >
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:39 PM
>> > Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
>> >
>> >
>> > Wendy -- the principles were not (as is usually the case) worked out in
>> > advance as prescriptions of what ought to happen. Rather they were
>> > observations by myself and many others as to what actually did happen.
>> > The
>> > same would be true with the Law. Not an "ought" but an "is."
>> >
>> > Is this right? I don't know, but that is the way it happened. Whenever
>> > I say
>> > Principles and Law -- I always smile, because I know it/they are not
>> > what
>> > people usually expect.
>> >
>> > Harrison
>> >
>> >
>> > Harrison Owen
>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>> > Potomac, MD 20854
>> > USA
>> > 301-365-2093
>> > 207-763-3261 (summer)
>> > website www.openspaceworld.com
>> > www.openspaceworld.com
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Wendy Farmer-O'Neil
>> > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:58 PM
>> > Subject: Re: leverage points & Control --I wish I had it
>> >
>> > Hmmm...this is interesting...
>> >
>> > I guess I made an assumption somewhere along the line here, that the
>> > actual
>> > principles of OST were freedom, self-organization, responsibility,
>> > caring,
>> > maturity, invitation, positivity, productive chaos, self-authorship,
>> > etc....And that the things we call "The Principles" and stick up on the
>> > wall
>> > are actually just part of the container we create to hold chaos at a
>> > manageable level for productive self-organization. Let me clarify a
>> > bit...I
>> > think I am seeing "The Principles" as what we use to inspire confidence
>> > in
>> > the process for the participants...most of whom have never encountered
>> > OS
>> > before and find it a bit unsettling at first. They need some
>> > reassurance
>> > that what is happening is normal, okay and will work--in order to relax
>> > and
>> > give it try. In this regard, I think a certain amount of prescription
>> > would
>> > be okay, if not perhaps even necessary? I may be completely wrong.
>> >
>> > This leads me to wondering...How would things change if we just had the
>> > Law?
>> > Not that i'm suggesting this at all...it just makes me go hmmmm....
>> >
>> > And yonder bi-furcated post-metamorphosis caterpillar with the
>> > ricepaper
>> > fans causes updrafts of great significance in the Easternmost Orient
>> > once
>> > again...
>> > Well...that is how Bi-Coloured Python Rock Snakes always talk.
>> > O Best Beloved...
>> > Wendy
>> >
>> > PS, Harrison: I'll bring my Kipling to Halifax if you'll bring
>> > yours...;-)
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Masud Sheikh" <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
>> > To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:40 PM
>> > Subject: Re: leverage points
>> >
>> >
>> > > Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
>> > >>Actually, I don't think it is as much of an "assumption" as a
>> > >>blinding
>> > > flash of the obvious. Those who came are the only ones there! And
>> > > the
>> > > reason they are there is that they cared enough to come. That does
>> > > not
>> > > make all those who didn't come bad, immoral, or terrible -- but the
>> > > fact
>> > > of the matter is that they didn't care enough to come. Now maybe the
>> > > next
>> > > time they would feel differently -- care more. Make the necessary
>> > > arrangements, or sacrifices! But for this particular Open Space --
>> > > those
>> > > who care came. And CARING is the sole criteria for entry. That alone
>> > > makes
>> > > them the "right people." No Caring -- no come...
>> > >>
>> > >>And why would this be true? Well, I think Open Space is all about
>> > >>passion
>> > > and responsibility. And if you don't CARE -- no passion, and little
>> > > hope
>> > > of accepting responsibility. Who on earth would take responsibility
>> > > for
>> > > something they don't care about?
>> > >>
>> > > We have been through this before, Harrison. I find it judgmental
>> > > (being
>> > > judgmental myself, I know judgment when I see it :-)) How about
>> > > changing
>> > > it to: "Those who felt invited, came"?
>> > > Masud
>> > >
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:21:21 -0500
> From: Pat Black <patblack at paulbunyan.net>
> Subject: leverage points
>
> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:50:38 -0600
> From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
> Subject: Re: leverage points
>
>
> <That humans are self revealing in all their actions and communications.
>
> Masud asked
> <Thank you Pat, but is that all?
>
> Well for me yes that is the only assumption I can make about individuals
> or corporations for that matter. I mentioned once on this list that I
> came form a family with language issues. I had a severe speech
> impediment that limited people's ability to understand my words and
> their is a history of generational illiteracy. So living in a cultural
> where competency is dependent on speech and reading you have to learn to
> demonstrate competency in other ways. I watch actions more than
> listening to words. Actions describe the entities making them whether
> they are people, fish, bear or corporations. They can not help but be
> themselves.
>
> When you mentioned IBM I would be watching to see what they did to
> accomplish this decree. That would reveal to me who they are. These
> words have no real meaning to me without the action that follows.
> For instance, with my long-time employer IBM - with which I worked
> through
> its best and worst phases - an unsaid assumption seemed to be "We
> have got
> it right so often; as has happened before, we will win in the end".
>
> I can't speak to Therese's statement about what she thinks the assumptions
> are. I live in my box and the only thing I know is that people are always
> revealing themselves to me in every word and action if I look and listen.
> I don't have to put any kind of spin on anything, it will all spin on its
> own.
>
>
> I do personally emabrace the principles and the law. They both resonate
> truth for me. I would agree with you that Harrison's description of
> whoever comes are the right people is judgemental. Caring implies that is
> possible to not care and that all requires judgement to me. So I
> understand your hit on that. I don't find the language in the stated
> principle a problem so much although I phrase that principle Whoever comes
> are the only ones who could come. And that would seem to fit with
> Harrison's blinding flash statement that they are the only ones there. I
> totally believe that but I find the word care to be judgemental and I
> don't find caring the only crtieria for entry, although I think I get the
> intention of Harrison's words. For me, caring denotes a cognitive
> experience and I don't think cognition is the only thing that can get you
> there. I actually think it can keep you from "there" at least as often as
> it gets you there. Serendipity is not caring it is more like pl!
> acement. And I believe serendipity can provide entrance. I think the
> arrival does signify something about the person. It does tell me
> something about the person. It tells me at least that they are there and
> it tells me nothing of those who are not present.
>
> <Actually, I don't think it is as much of an "assumption" as a blinding =
> <flash of the obvious. Those who came are the only ones there! And the =
> <reason they are there is that they cared enough to come. That does not =
> <make all those who didn't come bad, immoral, or terrible -- but the fact
> =
> <of the matter is that they didn't care enough to come. Now maybe the =
> <next time they would feel differently -- care more. Make the necessary =
> <arrangements, or sacrifices! But for this particular Open Space -- =
> <those who care came. And CARING is the sole criteria for entry. That =
> <alone makes them the "right people." No Caring -- no come...
>
> Therese's story or one of Harrison's experiences speaks more to me of the
> serendipity aspect. Actually, I believe in the intelligence of creation
> to call into the mix those that should be there. In my believe system
> creation is ongoing and creation itself has the intelligence to create
> itself.
>
> < This principle embraces anyone who stumbles in from the cosmos, such as
> the janitor at a <strategic planning session for a shoe manufacturer who
> gives the company an idea
> <that leads it to developing an entirely new product line (this is a
> <true story Harrison tells): in such an example, the janitor was not
> <invited, he was crossing the room.
>
> <I love this principle more than any other. I do not consider it a
> <mere assumption but a core paradigm.
>
> I do not come to open space from any kind of professional facilitator or
> corporate background. I have done social justice, kind of grassroots
> community organizing for close to 40 years and I am a visual artist. I
> understand open space through that lens. What I can say for certain based
> on my own experience is that being in open space is like making art. I
> may enter with assumptions, ideas and passions but I must be willing to
> let all of that go so that "it", the expereince can become what it has
> come to be and I will experience the awesomeness of creation. I can
> participate in the becoming or not but I never feel like I can control it
> or even know it really. I am only a channel for the physical
> manifestation of creation becoming itself. I do think about being an
> ingredient in that becoming and decide what flavor I want to contribute.
> Do I want to be the emulsion that provides a matrix for all the flavors to
> suspend themselves in or do I want to be a chili and heat th!
> ings up while I flavor the broth. The flavor I add is up to me. I don't
> always like the soup so sometimes I chose to get out. I don't always like
> my own art work, clearly, it has not come in to being to communicate
> something to me. I try to be present in a way that will allow the work to
> get to the person who has the capacity to work with it.
>
> <So? I am still stuck
> <Masud
>
> I wonder if you are stuck or floating around in search of a mooring place?
> I let my own heart be my mooring place so I can float without concern.
> Know your own heart, you were given a good one.
> So Masud I don't know if that helps to clarify what I meant by my original
> statement or made it even more muddy but it is what I could respond.
> pat
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:56:28 -0400
> From: "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." <76066.515 at compuserve.com>
> Subject: a rather different place
>
> Harrison--
>
> << I guess I come from a rather different place.
>
> This phrase, or something similar to it, seems to my memory to have
> appeared in your writings many times.
>
> Would it not make a rich title and theme for Harrison Owen's
> (auto)biography? What different place do you come from? And to what
> different place are you headed to sit the question? I ask only partially
> in
> jest.
>
> :-Doug. Germann
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:43:00 -0700
> From: Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <wendy at xe.net>
> Subject: Re: leverage points
>
> Pat, this is wonderful!
>
>> Therese's story or one of Harrison's experiences speaks more to me of the
>> serendipity aspect. Actually, I believe in the intelligence of creation
>> to call into the mix those that should be there. In my believe system
>> creation is ongoing and creation itself has the intelligence to create
>> itself.
>
>> What I can say for certain based on my own experience is that being in
>> open space is like making art. I may enter with assumptions, ideas and
>> passions but I must be willing to let all of that go so that "it", the
>> experience can become what it has come to be and I will experience the
>> awesomeness of creation. I can participate in the becoming or not but I
>> never feel like I can control it or even know it really. I am only a
>> channel for the physical manifestation of creation becoming itself. I do
>> think about being an ingredient in that becoming and decide what flavor I
>> want to contribute. Do I want to be the emulsion that provides a matrix
>> for all the flavors to suspend themselves in or do I want to be a chili
>> and heat th!
>> ings up while I flavor the broth. The flavor I add is up to me. I don't
>> always like the soup so sometimes I chose to get out. I don't always
>> like
>> my own art work, clearly, it has not come in to being to communicate
>> something to me. I try to be present in a way that will allow the work
>> to
>> get to the person who has the capacity to work with it.
>> pat
>
>
> Your words resonate very strongly for me--very close to my own experience
> and beliefs. I think that what you call serendipity, I call
> synchronicity.
> But I am loving how you have got me thinking about serendipity--it's a far
> more organic and human word. It has a wonderful onomatopoeia--a lovely
> combination of serenity and dipsy-doodling...really descriptive of what
> it's
> like to be in that space/way--a vast inner spaciousness and calm combined
> with a playfulness or playful willingness to engage with whatever
> emerges...an openness to accept the invitation of creation to do whatever
> work lies before us :)
>
> Thanks so much,
> Love,
> Wendy
>
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 05:47:23 +0200
> From: WeBe TrainConsult <wb-trainconsult at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on Self Organizing
>
> Cheryl, Douglas and all,
>
> yes "Community Weaver" is a great title. I love it especially, because my
> Surname (Weber) means weaver in english, and I try to make sense of and
> utilize this "given" and therefore got an implicit understanding of my
> self as a community weaving practicioner over the years. You put the word
> into the open, made it explicit. I will use it from now on to explain what
> I am doing. So I have to thank you.
> Bernd
>
> Am Wed, 25 May 2005 17:44:42 -0400, schrieb Douglas D. Germann, Sr.:
>> Cheryl--
>>
>> Transformative Community Building--that is an evocative phrase, one
>> I like, a lot. How did you choose it? What does it say to you,
>> Cheryl?
>>
>> I also love that "Community Weaver" title.
>>
>> :-Doug. Germann
>> Seeking people making community change. Community Disorganizer
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> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:08:09 -0700
> From: Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Craig
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> Years ago I found a great article from McKinsey about why strategic
> plannin=
> g=20
> doesn't work. You can download it here:
>
> http://www.chriscorrigan.com/facilitation/Strategic%20planning%20doesn't%20=
> work.pdf
>
> Chris
>
> On 5/24/05, Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> I agree that planning is useful. But it is also important to recognize=20
>> what Planning does. And it does not create the future! At best it is an=
> =20
>> imperfect map of what we THINK (hope, expect)the future might be.
>> Plannin=
> g=20
>> documents are very useful for checking off things along the way (to the=
> =20
>> future). They are miserable when it come to prediction. This is not all
>> b=
> ad.=20
>> for in many situations -- what you planed is so much less than what you=
> =20
>> could accomplish -- that is you reached you "planned goals" -- you would
>> =
> be=20
>> severely sub-optimized (to speak in the acceptable jargon.
>> Harrison
>> Harrison Owen
>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>> Potomac, MD 20854
>> USA
>> 301-365-2093
>> 207-763-3261 (summer)
>> website www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
>> www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>=20
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> *From:* Craig Gilliam <wcraiggilliam at hotmail.com>=20
>> *To:* OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:04 AM
>> *Subject:* Craig
>>=20
>> Harrison and all:
>>=20
>> I ma trying to thinkg through the concept of Strategic Planning. It seems
>> to me that Strategic Planning is somewhat outdated and a concept that is
>> overly rationalistic while lacking depth and soul/spirit in many cases,=
> =20
>> but
>> often weighted down with anxiety and lack of productivity (Or maybe I=20
>> should
>> say the way we often talk about it.). Any more, is the word, "watching
>> fo=
> r
>> the emerging order" a better way to talk about and reflecting on
>> "plannin=
> g
>> for" the future? If so, what are the laws of emergence? As one listens or
>> watches for emerging order, for what is one or a group watching?
>>=20
>> As I understand it, OS make space for it to emerge in a healthy way?
>> Afte=
> r=20
>> a
>> group senses an emerging order, does one plan, does one get out of the
>> wa=
> y
>> so uit can happen, or a little of all?
>>=20
>> Any thoughts?
>>=20
>> I hope this makes some sense in its nonsense. I am still thinking this
>> trhough.
>>=20
>> Thanks!
>> Craig
>>=20
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> Years ago I found a great article from McKinsey about why strategic
> plannin=
> g doesn't work. You can download it here:<br>
> <br>
> <a
> href=3D"http://www.chriscorrigan.com/facilitation/Strategic%20planning%2=
> 0doesn't%20work.pdf">http://www.chriscorrigan.com/facilitation/Strategic%20=
> planning%20doesn't%20work.pdf</a><br>
> <br>
> Chris<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5/24/05, <b
> class=3D"gmail=
> _sendername">Harrison Owen</b> <<a
> href=3D"mailto:hhowen at comcast.net">hh=
> owen at comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
> sty=
> le=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
> 0.8ex;=
> padding-left: 1ex;">
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I agree that planning is useful. But
> i=
> t is also=20
> important to recognize what Planning does. And it does not create the
> futur=
> e! At=20
> best it is an imperfect map of what we THINK (hope, expect)the future
> =
> might=20
> be. Planning documents are very useful for checking off things
> a=
> long=20
> the way (to the future). They are miserable when it come to prediction.
> Thi=
> s is=20
> not all bad. for in many situations -- what you planed is so much less
> than=
> what=20
> you could accomplish -- that is you reached you "planned
> goals" -=
> - you would be=20
> severely sub-optimized (to speak in the acceptable jargon.</font></div>
> <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font> </div>
> <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Harrison</font></div>
> <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font> </div>
> <div>Harrison Owen<br>7808 River Falls Dr.<br>Potomac, MD =20
> 20854<br>USA<br>301-365-2093<br>207-763-3261 (summer)<br>website <a
> href=3D=
> "http://www.openspaceworld.com" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return
> top.js.=
> OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.openspaceworld.com</a><br><a
> href=3D"ht=
> tp://www.openspaceworld.com" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return
> top.js.Ope=
> nExtLink(window,event,this)">
> www.openspaceworld.com</a> <br></div><div><span class=3D"e"
> id=3D"q_10410c3=
> 7e4aa8c16_1">
> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right:
> 0p=
> x; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
> <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant:
> norma=
> l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal;
> font-size-adj=
> ust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
> <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%
> 50%; -=
> moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin:
> initial; -moz-backgro=
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> font-va=
> riant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal;
> f=
> ont-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
> <b>From:</b>=20
> <a title=3D"wcraiggilliam at hotmail.com"
> href=3D"mailto:wcraiggilliam at hotma=
> il.com" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return
> top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event=
> ,this)">Craig Gilliam</a> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant:
> norma=
> l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal;
> font-size-adj=
> ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a
> title=3D"OSLIST at LISTSERV.BO=
> ISESTATE.EDU" href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
> target=3D"_bla=
> nk" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
> OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>=20
> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant:
> norma=
> l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal;
> font-size-adj=
> ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:04
> A=
> M
> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant:
> norma=
> l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal;
> font-size-adj=
> ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Craig</div>
> <div><br></div>Harrison and all:<br><br>I ma trying to thinkg through
> the=
> =20
> concept of Strategic Planning. It seems<br>to me that Strategic
> Pla=
> nning=20
> is somewhat outdated and a concept that is<br>overly rationalistic while=
> =20
> lacking depth and soul/spirit in many cases, but<br>often weighted down
> w=
> ith=20
> anxiety and lack of productivity (Or maybe I should<br>say the way we
> oft=
> en=20
> talk about it.). Any more, is the word, "watching for<br>the
> e=
> merging=20
> order" a better way to talk about and reflecting on
> "planning<b=
> r>for" the=20
> future? If so, what are the laws of emergence? As one
> listens=
> =20
> or<br>watches for emerging order, for what is one or a group=20
> watching?<br><br>As I understand it, OS make space for it to emerge in a=
> =20
> healthy way? After a<br>group senses an emerging order, does one plan,
> do=
> es=20
> one get out of the way<br>so uit can happen, or a little of
> all?<br><br>A=
> ny=20
> thoughts?<br><br>I hope this makes some sense in its nonsense. I
> am=
> =20
> still thinking=20
>
> this<br>trhough.<br><br>Thanks!<br>Craig<br><br>*<br>*<br>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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