A short introduction
Lucas Gonzalez
lgs0a at yahoo.es
Tue Mar 15 10:53:20 PST 2005
Yes, and it's also true that an extremely powerful new step would be to
have "fleshspace" open space, so that "users" and "developers" of the
software can actually work together from the start, and understand each
other much faster and much better.
Yes, quite a few software developers have close to zero social skills
(or so the myth goes), but the same can be said of those doctors who
can only talk about their beloved Medical Science.
Might be a nice mix to see. And all that software, open for all to
use, and complex enought to need caretakers who'd work for a fee ...
hmm! :-)
btw, the Firefox browser (http://www.getfirefox.com) is said to be
having growth pains - 25 million downloads in 99 days, and counting!
You're of course free to go on using Internet Explorer. ;)
Lucas
--- Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com> escribió:
> It's no accident that Open Source sounds like Open Space. Linux, the
> open source operating system (http://www.linux.org/), Open Office
> (http://www.openoffice.org/) (a free suite of wordprocessing,
> spreadsheet and database tools), the browser Firefox
> (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/) and many other pieces of
> software are developed in a completely open way, in an ongoing
> collaborative Open Space. It's all self-organizing and requires very
> few hubs. Check http://sourceforge.net/ which is the home of open
> source development on the web and is basically a huge, ongoing open
> space meeting where developers can drop in, propose projects, work on
> existing projects, contribute a tiny fix or a whole new chunk of
> code...
>
> Open Source is redefining the marketplace, and Microsoft and other
> large commercial companies are feeling the heat. The success of
> Firefox is pushing Internet Explorer to a new release, and Linux is
> beginning to give Windows a run for it's money. Many web servers now
> run on LInux systems, because it is so much more adaptable and nearly
> immune to viruses and malicious use. Every time a problem crops up,
> someone posts it somewhere and hundreds of developers go to work on
> it.
>
> It all looks a bit geeky, but the fact is that now you don't have to
> pay for basic computer software anymore, if you choose. And you can
> contribute to Open Source by using the software, writing code (if
> that's what you do) or offering $20 for someone to fix a bug or
> develop a feature you need (if writing code is not your thing).
>
> What is happening to open source is inspiring new ways of thinking
> about philanthropy, collaboration, markets, community development and
> a myriad of other fields.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:17:10 +0100, Lucas Gonzalez <lgs0a at yahoo.es>
> wrote:
> > Hi Tom
> >
> > > If I understand what you mean "bring the system in one room" to
> be
> > > bringing the stakeholders together in the place where the work is
> to
> > > be done, then yes.
> >
> > I don't know much about software developement for such huge things
> as,
> > say, a hospital information system.
> >
> > I know a little about how a hospital works - but so do most people
> -
> > and it's complex: many different people doing different things and
> > asking for different pieces of data all the time (and I mean ALL
> the
> > time). And most of the times you have to change the engine of the
> > plane while it's flying.
> >
> > I would guess you have to develop specifications, write the
> software,
> > test it, evaluate it - I guess open space "sessions" for each of
> those?
> > Would you do smaller open space gatherings around "the broad
> picture"
> > and also about smaller "facets"? Those who care will come in any
> case,
> > they say.
> >
> > The ant-nest picture I can imagine is quite interesting, with the
> heart
> > and toenail specialists and software composers all breathing in and
> out
> > of their places within the hospital, also in and out of the
> gathering
> > room (as part of the hospital), and much of the time in open space.
> >
> > > There are other interesting approaches that have
> > > bearing on this - notably the so-called agile, or lightweight,
> > > development methodologies. Agile development is predicated on
> short
> > > bursts of activity, with various checks and balances to ensure
> work
> > > is on task or able to respond to changes in project's business
> > context
> > > - not the least of which is garnering feedback from stakeholders.
> >
> > I agree, and I also think feedback runs both ways. There was this
> > quote about a person filling up a glass of water: as the system
> > specialists put it, you *can't* just fill up the glass - rather,
> you
> > enter a system in which you control the water flow and the level of
> > water in the glass, as you see it, controls *you*. Then the water
> you
> > drink is good or bad and that's another loop.
> >
> > > I can see agile development, open space and open source as
> > > significant mechanisms for the production of high quality, high
> value
> > > software systems in a short period of time. Regarding bringing it
> all
> > > in one room, I'm imagining a company set up as a ongoing
> "creative
> > > space" where work and decision making is framed within a series
> of
> > > open space meetings, each focussing on a particular broad set of
> > > issues. I could be misunderstanding the use of open space here -
> I'll
> > > readily admit I'm a bit of a dreamer.. :)
> >
> > My bet here is you'd like to try and you'd get help from the list.
> How
> > to start?
> >
> > Lucas
> >
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>From Tue Mar 15 10:54:54 2005
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I've done it too, on a number of occaisions, probably 15 times or so.
It generally comes off as a refreshing session, more interactive than
all the others, but still not really transformational. Mostly people
like it because it allows them to connect with each other peer to peer
instead of through a keynote or some other kind of workshop. That's
where I have used it: to enhance connections at the conference around
ideas that are already working and creating a marketplace where those
people might meet, In the end you end up hosting a bunch of
self-organized mini-workshops which can be surprisingly engaging. The
trick is to have enough time to have deep dialogue, and you rarely
have that in a conference setting. But if you can get a 3 or 3.5 hour
time slot, it can work to foster dialogue.
Be careful though...in most conference settings you really don't have
the conditions for a good Open Space, and that WILL affect how well
the session goes. It will also give people a poor idea of what a real
OST meeting is like, and I have had numerous people tell me, when I
suggested OST, that they have experienced it before, in a conference
setting, and they didn't like it.
Chris
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:21:43 +0000, Michael Herman <mjherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> i did a concurrent thing with agile software conference a few years
> ago. yes, not as amazing as it could have been if it were the main
> line, but still many good things happened. the writeup is listed
> toward the bottom of this ost resources archive page of links:
> http://www.globalchicago.net/ost ...look for "agile" in the links. we
> had not only a traditional conf, but also lunches where somebody ran
> 'birds of a feather' groups. two things made the ost stand out: (1)
> i got to address the whole group, about 300, in the first morning,
> right before lunch, after a morning of keynoters and before we opened
> after lunch for anyone who wanted to join us. the contrast with the
> keynoters was helpful, i think. and (2) we made the theme about the
> future that nobody was presenting on, so the birds-of-a-feather groups
> were issues so well known that participants could lead, presentations
> were new things where experts were bringing their studies out for the
> masses, and the ost was for the future of software, stuff that even
> the experts weren't yet certain about. positioning this way helped
> dodge some of the 'useless' labelling.
>
>
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:54:22 -0500, Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
> > The problem with the "demonstration" OS had nothing to do with fear,
> > hostility, or anything like that. Actually if both fear and hostility had
> > been present, thing might have been more fun. As it was, the real issue was
> > total, unabated, lack of anything meaningful to talk about. As I said, there
> > was no passion, no responsibility, and nobody cared. The only thing I know
> > to do in a situation like that is not to get into it in the first place.
> >
> > Harrison
> >
> > Harrison Owen
> > 7808 River Falls Drive
> > Potomac, Maryland 20845
> > Phone 301-365-2093
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Gawron
> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:23 AM
> > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: facilitation questions
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Has anyone pursued the Six Sigma "Voice of the Customer" concepts into an
> > Open Space facilitation? It seems that if the topics introduced into an
> > open space discussion do not concern the participants, they will not
> > respond. There is also a 'fear factor' in this equation. If the
> > participants include members of adversarial groups, they may be unwilling to
> > "Open" the discussion. Perhaps a brainstorming session might surface common
> > ground where a discussion might occur in the situation Harrison describes
> > here..
> >
> > Steve Gawron
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at comcast.net>
> > To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: facilitation questions
> >
> > > Ah -- A little bit of Open Space! I have tried what you are suggesting
> > > several times (concurrent Open and closed space) and it never seemed to
> > work
> > > very well. But I have to admit, that is a personal judgment based on what
> > I
> > > knew could have happened had it all been in Open Space. I also have to
> > admit
> > > that some of the folks in the "Open Space Track" were delighted. The basic
> > > problem was that the majority of people loved the sound of Open Space, but
> > > given a choice in the moment opted for sitting in rows being talked at. I
> > > think I understand that reaction, but at the end of the day, I really felt
> > > uncomfortable. Part of my discomfort came from overhearing several
> > > conversations from folks who had not opted for Open Space -- who said
> > > something like -- that Open Space seems pretty useless. Now of course they
> > > just had "seen it," and not really been a part. But the reaction had been
> > > formed. It was not unlike several other situations where I had been asked
> > to
> > > "demonstrate Open Space." I tried -- (sit in circle, create bulletin
> > > board...) and when I finished they were all just sitting there looking at
> > me
> > > until somebody said "Is that all there is?" Right! No passion, no
> > > responsibility, not much at all.
> > >
> > > Personally, I just won't do that sort of thing again. But there are some
> > > alternatives. Some friends have done Open Spaces in the evenings around
> > > really hot issues and those who cared to come seemed to get a lot out of
> > the
> > > experience. Another -- if this is a multi-day conference -- Do the last
> > day
> > > in Open Space (for everybody) as a way of synthesizing the experience and
> > > building the common knowledge base. That does work.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Harrison
> > >
> > > Harrison Owen
> > > 7808 River Falls Drive
> > > Potomac, Maryland 20845
> > > Phone 301-365-2093
> > >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Sue
> > Scott
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:18 PM
> > > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> > > Subject: facilitation questions
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > I seek your wisdom and experience. I am a volunteer in an international
> > > volunteer organization that is beginning to experiment with open space. In
> > > my local area, we are planning a conference that will being together our
> > > volunteers, professionals, other volunteers, and the people we serve. We
> > > generally have a pretty traditional conference, i.e., presentations,
> > > lectures, continuing education credits, registration for time slots in
> > > advance. I had hoped and asked for completely open space for this
> > conference
> > > and it appears that we are not ready for that yet. However, the interest
> > to
> > > learn more is there. Now some of us have the idea that we could offer
> > open
> > > space at the same time as the rest of the conference. The conference
> > > organizers are fine with this idea. It would be in the same building. We
> > > would like to give people the option to attend the whole regular
> > conference
> > > as is, move in and out of the conference, or spend all the time in open
> > > space. We would have a convening question, marketplace, space to post the
> > > sessions and space to hold sessions, etc.
> > >
> > > My questions: Have any of you been part of this sort of thing? If so, any
> > > advice on how to explain to people on the reg form? How would we open
> > space?
> > > To the whole conference? Just to those who showed up in the OS room for
> > > opening? How does it work if some people do not attend opening and then
> > > attend the posted OS sessions? I know I have more questions inside but
> > just
> > > am too inexperienced to know how to ask.
> > >
> > > Also, if I am part of this organization, I guess you call it a
> > stakeholder,
> > > is it wise for *me* to be the facilitator? I am fine with not
> > participating
> > > in any sessions that might ensue, if that is what is needed.
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your assistance,
> > >
> > > Sue Scott in Oregon USA
> > >
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>From Tue Mar 15 11:06:31 2005
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Steve wrote:
> Has anyone pursued the Six Sigma "Voice of the Customer" concepts into an
> Open Space facilitation? It seems that if the topics introduced into an
> open space discussion do not concern the participants, they will not
> respond.
I haven't pursued the voice of the customer into Open Space
facilitation. I think instead I opt just for the voice. If
customer's voices are required, we bring them into the session. But I
think your observation that where there is no passion, there is
nothing to talk about is true. I also think it's important that we
don't do things just for the sake of doing them, so if there is
nothing to talk about, why have an Open Space (or any other kind of
meeting) in the first place?
>There is also a 'fear factor' in this equation. If the
> participants include members of adversarial groups, they may be unwilling to
> "Open" the discussion. Perhaps a brainstorming session might surface common
> ground where a discussion might occur in the situation Harrison describes
> here..
The issue for me is the authenticity of the voices in the room.
Brainstorming externalizes the voice or idea and a list that we agree
on is one in which our own personal responsibility is diminished.
This is why I have stopped having groups ranks action items. OST runs
on passion bounded by responsibility. The invitation is for people to
come together around issues they personally care about and to take
responsibility for moving those issues forward.
In OST I am not interested in the group coming to "consensus." I am
interested in the sponsor opening a container wide enough to invite
any action coming from an OST to be "part of the plan." So it's not
about constraining voices, or making lists, but opening the bigger
plan so wide that anything that comes out of the OST IS part of the
direction, and thereby we emerge consensus - not a consensus in which
everyone agrees, but one which is full of creative tensions, passions
and loads of personal responsibility and which can all be seen as
moving in a similar direction, most often towards making a community
or an organization a better place to be. Very few people will propose
in an OST meeting, ways for making a community or an organization
worse. If leadership can accept the fact that "better" can
self-organize in a dynamic market of ideas and action, and that's it's
messy and complex and diverse and full of dialogue and working through
the big issues, then we can REALLY do something. The major
transformation in OST comes when people realize that conversation and
not prescription is the way we move forward. That changes everything.
Chris
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>From Tue Mar 15 11:09:54 2005
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Yup...that's what agile development is all about, and Michael Herman
and others know more about this than I do.
And isn't it great that Firefox is having growing pains? That's how
we know it's alive and vital and fresh, like my kids. Internet
Explorer on the other hand is infected with viruses, holes, leaks and
band aids. Looks like life at the other end of the spectrum :-)
Chris
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:53:20 +0100, Lucas Gonzalez <lgs0a at yahoo.es> wrote:
> Yes, and it's also true that an extremely powerful new step would be to
> have "fleshspace" open space, so that "users" and "developers" of the
> software can actually work together from the start, and understand each
> other much faster and much better.
>
> Yes, quite a few software developers have close to zero social skills
> (or so the myth goes), but the same can be said of those doctors who
> can only talk about their beloved Medical Science.
>
> Might be a nice mix to see. And all that software, open for all to
> use, and complex enought to need caretakers who'd work for a fee ...
> hmm! :-)
>
> btw, the Firefox browser (http://www.getfirefox.com) is said to be
> having growth pains - 25 million downloads in 99 days, and counting!
> You're of course free to go on using Internet Explorer. ;)
>
> Lucas
>
> --- Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com> escribió:
> > It's no accident that Open Source sounds like Open Space. Linux, the
> > open source operating system (http://www.linux.org/), Open Office
> > (http://www.openoffice.org/) (a free suite of wordprocessing,
> > spreadsheet and database tools), the browser Firefox
> > (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/) and many other pieces of
> > software are developed in a completely open way, in an ongoing
> > collaborative Open Space. It's all self-organizing and requires very
> > few hubs. Check http://sourceforge.net/ which is the home of open
> > source development on the web and is basically a huge, ongoing open
> > space meeting where developers can drop in, propose projects, work on
> > existing projects, contribute a tiny fix or a whole new chunk of
> > code...
> >
> > Open Source is redefining the marketplace, and Microsoft and other
> > large commercial companies are feeling the heat. The success of
> > Firefox is pushing Internet Explorer to a new release, and Linux is
> > beginning to give Windows a run for it's money. Many web servers now
> > run on LInux systems, because it is so much more adaptable and nearly
> > immune to viruses and malicious use. Every time a problem crops up,
> > someone posts it somewhere and hundreds of developers go to work on
> > it.
> >
> > It all looks a bit geeky, but the fact is that now you don't have to
> > pay for basic computer software anymore, if you choose. And you can
> > contribute to Open Source by using the software, writing code (if
> > that's what you do) or offering $20 for someone to fix a bug or
> > develop a feature you need (if writing code is not your thing).
> >
> > What is happening to open source is inspiring new ways of thinking
> > about philanthropy, collaboration, markets, community development and
> > a myriad of other fields.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:17:10 +0100, Lucas Gonzalez <lgs0a at yahoo.es>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Tom
> > >
> > > > If I understand what you mean "bring the system in one room" to
> > be
> > > > bringing the stakeholders together in the place where the work is
> > to
> > > > be done, then yes.
> > >
> > > I don't know much about software developement for such huge things
> > as,
> > > say, a hospital information system.
> > >
> > > I know a little about how a hospital works - but so do most people
> > -
> > > and it's complex: many different people doing different things and
> > > asking for different pieces of data all the time (and I mean ALL
> > the
> > > time). And most of the times you have to change the engine of the
> > > plane while it's flying.
> > >
> > > I would guess you have to develop specifications, write the
> > software,
> > > test it, evaluate it - I guess open space "sessions" for each of
> > those?
> > > Would you do smaller open space gatherings around "the broad
> > picture"
> > > and also about smaller "facets"? Those who care will come in any
> > case,
> > > they say.
> > >
> > > The ant-nest picture I can imagine is quite interesting, with the
> > heart
> > > and toenail specialists and software composers all breathing in and
> > out
> > > of their places within the hospital, also in and out of the
> > gathering
> > > room (as part of the hospital), and much of the time in open space.
> > >
> > > > There are other interesting approaches that have
> > > > bearing on this - notably the so-called agile, or lightweight,
> > > > development methodologies. Agile development is predicated on
> > short
> > > > bursts of activity, with various checks and balances to ensure
> > work
> > > > is on task or able to respond to changes in project's business
> > > context
> > > > - not the least of which is garnering feedback from stakeholders.
> > >
> > > I agree, and I also think feedback runs both ways. There was this
> > > quote about a person filling up a glass of water: as the system
> > > specialists put it, you *can't* just fill up the glass - rather,
> > you
> > > enter a system in which you control the water flow and the level of
> > > water in the glass, as you see it, controls *you*. Then the water
> > you
> > > drink is good or bad and that's another loop.
> > >
> > > > I can see agile development, open space and open source as
> > > > significant mechanisms for the production of high quality, high
> > value
> > > > software systems in a short period of time. Regarding bringing it
> > all
> > > > in one room, I'm imagining a company set up as a ongoing
> > "creative
> > > > space" where work and decision making is framed within a series
> > of
> > > > open space meetings, each focussing on a particular broad set of
> > > > issues. I could be misunderstanding the use of open space here -
> > I'll
> > > > readily admit I'm a bit of a dreamer.. :)
> > >
> > > My bet here is you'd like to try and you'd get help from the list.
> > How
> > > to start?
> > >
> > > Lucas
> > >
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