SV: SpaceInvaders
Thomas Herrmann
thomas at openspaceconsulting.com
Wed Aug 10 07:06:03 PDT 2005
Dear Chris, dear all
I very much agree that there is a danger in having a label to a person when
it as well can be about myself. I think we could try to find a name to the
situation, too. What about "shrinking space"?
Thanks all of you showing up at OSonOS - it was a delight to see you all!!
And for those of you connecting around the world - thanks as well.
And Chris, the Vancouver cap fits Anton just fine. You look great in the
Frölunda cap;-) (we traded hockey-caps in Halifax)
Thomas Herrmann
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Ämne: Re: SpaceInvaders
Primarily the problem is with the label that sticks to the person and not
the situation. So I'd be less inclined to rename the "space invader" and
more inclined to name the situation.
So we might think of it as a sudden depletion of space, a vacuum (it sucks
when it happens), a bottleneck, a constriction, a strangulation, a space
storm (butterflies flapping wings and complexity and all),
Something like that. Return to you, baseline shot, elegent backhand off
your serve.
Chris
On 8/9/05, Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> wrote:
Right On Baby! And Larry is right. Stole the words from an early
computer game. Dates me -- and Larry. We are talking a long time ago. No
attachment to the words. But the reality remains. Rarely -- .0009% -- a
malignant space invader shows up. So then what? How about some new words
for an old experience? The ball is in your court!
Harrison
Harrison Owen
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From: Chris Corrigan
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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: SpaceInvaders
I think we're in agreement here Harrison about what we do, just not as
to whether we use the term or not
I have been in that dreaded position of actually having a member of
the group, one who weilded much power and influence, grab the mic and try to
demand that we do this another way. And my reaction to it was to think
about what he ws saying and conclude that my responsibility was to the
openeing of space. I thanked him for his thought and suggested that
actually most of the people who had gathered were promised an Open Sapce and
that's what we were here to do. I don't know how happy he was but the group
got on with their work and some very very difficult issues were broached and
dealt with.
So I know a little about what Harrison is saying, and to some exten I
don;t disagree with the idea that certain people in certain places are going
to react strongly against our expectations of the event and space will feel
like it is closing. We could call these people space invaders, but if
that's the case, there has only been that one person. On another occaision
a person derailed the process ina perfectly acceptable way, stepping out
from the circle and naming the fact that sponsor had not levelled with the
group and that there was a need for the group to talk about the sponsor's
agenda before opening space. As it happened the sponsor had in fact pulled
me aside just prior to the beginning of the meeting and shared information
with me that was completley at odds with what the group was thinking. In
that case my partner and I simply acknowledged the truth of the situation
and left the room. I think what we did was to offer the group the space
that the sponsor had in fact, in secret, already closed.
I guess my take on the whole thing is that the term "space invader"
doesn't quite catch the nuances of these interventions and it doesn't
capture the complexity of the dynamics that the situations embody. When one
is in the moment, all kinds of thoughts arise: did we do this right? Is the
problem with our framing of the issue? Did I screw up? Is this person
insnae?
The judging mind is moving at a million miles and hour. The intuitive
heart is blocked, hiding, smothered by questions and anxiety. If one can
access that part of one's tool box - the intuitive discerning heart - then a
way forward will suggest itself. Simply labelling the situation "space
invader" and acting out of that place hasn't been helpful to me, and I
appreciate Harrison's explication of these nuances..
So in the end, yes, I have banished the term. But what I have tried
to develop in it's place is a more open approach to the situation at hand.
After all, it's Harrison's own advice, that when conflict arises, open
a little more space. The trick is finding out where that space needs to be
and how much "doing" I am being called to..
Chris
On 8/9/05, Larry Peterson <larry at spiritedorg.com> wrote:
It was a marvelous OSonOS, to be sure. Much learning and
connection.
I was somewhat of a "space invader" at Lisa's session. I arrived
late, got to get, respond to and pass on a question. I then remembered I
had a report to write and left.
I have some difficulty of the term "malignant space invader" but I
agree with the direction of the view. "Space Invader" still reminds me of
the early video game and shooting one down is now what were are talking
about here. However, I recently experienced, during an Opening process
(when folks were at the wall), one person in a relatively small group trying
to organize all the topics into a logical format that allowed him to go to
every session he wanted to. He was a tall, spiritually deep and respected
part of the event and everyone was following his attempts and organizing the
wall. I gently tapped him on the shoulder and asked to talk with him. When
I suggested that there might be advantages to letting the order emerge
rather than him organizing it for the group he immediately understood what I
was saying. In the closing circle, he and a dear friend of his both saw
that emergent order was possible and that going with the flow could create
surprising results. He appreciated my "tap" and what he learned about
himself. Guiding group spiritual practice can lead to attempts to control
and he saw the possibilities of going with a deeper flow. His friend now
saw some further steps he needed to take in his journey. Were that it was
so easy always.
I do think it is the role of the OST facilitator to "open" the space
and to me this is part of the opening – dealing with those who would try to
control it before the momentum begins.
Larry
Larry Peterson
Associates in Transformation
Toronto, ON, Canada
416.653.4829
larry at spiritedorg.com
www.spiritedorg.com
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