An OS "critique" and response

[Mr Guess]

btw - I am not an expert or associate or anything else of Integral
theory, or SD. Or OST. Im more of a non-specialist hack who generally
likes to live things in order to know them, and kinda suddenly wish I
hadn't spoken into such a loud microphone on all this. 

Besides, I've been an angry villager myself from time to time. Here and
there. blush

anyway
I think one of Wilber's most important and intitially confusing as heck
contributions thus far has been the perspectival all quadrants all lines
(AQAL, which includes all waves all streams all types, etc...). 

as another highly useful measuring gizmo 

and because I think it really gracefully reintroduces the notion of a
functioning engine of tiered hierarchies (such as they are in nature or
an automobile), not only as it pertains to an actual practice and
experiential unfolding along whatever chain of being there simply is,
but as I/it/we grow and evolve equally in our everpresent inner, outer,
collective and individual perspectives. Unfolding, further unpacking a
language that can hold our unfolding perspectives of history and
visionary thinking. 

And that's just a wild stabatit, as they they, on my part

Then integrate the likes of Howard Gardener's multiple lines of
intelligence, where, we can be aware of how each and everyone of our
many lines of intelligence also grow and unfold along some chain of
being, both individually and collectively, inwardly and outwardly, and
in their ascending and descending and expanding waves, and what not. 

And then there is the distinction between temporary states and permenant
stages of consciousness this whole time, such as peak and plateau
experiences. Also, focusing not only on integrating OST sessions live,
but dialogue forms and styles from an increasingly exotic blend of some
of the world's deepest traditions, then sits them down with a wide
variety of some of the most modern and post-modern thinkers and cultural
creatives on the planet...often simply cuz they "showed up and wanted to
talk... 

Ummm...a lot of things I missed

plug em in and turn em up, I say..lol
OST and II, along with other things

Peace, 
Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen
Sella
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:45 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response

Hi Tree,

Although I can appreciate the sentiments expressed in your response to
SD/Integral folks who are too simplistic/generalist and smug in their
use of Integral/SDi developmental theories, as someone who appreciates
and participates in the Integral and SDi communities, as well as OS, I
want to assure you that there are "grown-ups" among the SD/Wilberites :)

Warm regards,
Karen


Karen Sella
www.luminacoaching.com
206.780.2998



-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tree
Fitzpatrick
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:07 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response

I echo Tim Weidman's response to Peggy's posts.

I remind this list that Wilber's spin on Spiral Dynamics significantly
distorts the Spiral Dynamics model.  Wilber has done a disservice to
the great work embedded in Spiral Dynamics by getting so many of his
followers to denigrate the green meme.  It creeps me out to see people
lumping people and systems into the green meme, making the designation
of 'green meme' similar to namecalling in a school yard.  I want to
tell all those SD/Wilberites to grow up.

Like Tim, I hate the way SD/Wilberites engage in one-upman-ship, but I
am not above namecalling myself.

Steve Banks must be below the green meme if he experienced three Open
Space events and wrongly concluded that Open Space is green meme. 
Surely everyone on this list knows that Open Space fans are highly
evolved, t-2 at a minimum and probably higher.  He is obviously
threatened by the advanced tool that is Open Space, eh?!

Your response is excellent, Peggy, although Banks  didn't really
deserve a reasoned response.

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