anonyme posting
Pannwitz, Michael M
mmpanne at boscop.de
Thu Apr 7 05:04:29 PDT 2005
Hi neighbor (for those of you not familiar with our neighborhood Gabi
and I just live a block from each other),
I like your story and the way you tell it
and the way the task of posting the issue stayed with the
participant.
The last point seems pretty prerequisite to my role as facilitator
concentrating on holding time and space (assisted by those great
helpers) and attempting to be fully present and at the same time
invisible.
Greetings from down the block and see you in Halifax
mmp
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:55:16 +0200, Gabriela Ender wrote:
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>dear Agneta, dear Lisa,
>
>thank you for this great question and response!=20
>
>This reminds me on an 1day OST conference with about 70 people from last =
>year. "Something unexpected" and really wonderful happend at the =
>afternoon. Here briefly the situation: During the agenda setting phase =
>within a few minutes 27 topics were raised. The session groups were =
>working very intensive since approx. 4 hours as I saw one person walking =
>(like an almost invisble butterfly). Then I felt, that he was "looking =
>for me" ... but in a very shy way. I decided not to go to him and not to =
>ask him. Maybe 30 minutes later he came to me and said, that he prefere =
>to be a butterfly ... and he said, that he would have an urgent topic. I =
>said, if you want, you can raise it now ... in 15 minutes our last time =
>slot will beginn and we can arrange for you within a few seconds a =
>further session room.=20
>
>He said, "NO ... because in a special kind my issue has also to do with =
>these people here and my desire would be, that interested people could =
>discuss without me some possible solutions." I said, that this is a =
>wonderful idea, and I recommended that he could raise his issue AND let =
>the people at the same time know how he would like to have the workshop =
>setting. I saw how happy he was, and then he said ... "OK, I will invite =
>them to my issue - then I will only describe my problem and my desire - =
>and then I will leave them alone." I said, "great ... are you ready?" He =
>said yes and I felt his amazing courage.=20
>
>It was exactly the time before the last time slot should start and =
>therefore (with a little help from the temble bells) many people =
>listened him ... by standing around him in a circle. It was a very =
>special - quite - emotional moment. He was very authentic and everybody =
>could see and feel his grief. Within a few seconds our wonderful =
>co-facilitators arranged a new session space - and immediately 10 or 12 =
>participants went to this area and sat down. I was surprised to see, =
>that he went also to this session space. From the distance I could see, =
>that he introduced into his topic and about 10 minutes later he came to =
>me. He wanted to share with me, that the group and he made the following =
>arrangement: first the group works alone and 10 minutes before the =
>session end the group wants to inform him about their solution ideas.=20
>
>Then he went to the bufett. The group worked very intensive - they used =
>big papers, and they had one person, who was responsible for the =
>proceeding. Later, the man went back to the group in order to hear the =
>results. Then they worked together until the closing circle ... "only =
>the talking stick" could stop their conversations :). I was deeply =
>impressed to see his happy eyes. A few days after the OST somebody told =
>me, that this man (BTW, he is almost 70 years old) had a deep healing =
>experience during and after the event. This was a gift for me.
>
>Cheers from Berlin,
>Gabriela
>
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>----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Lisa Heft=20
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> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:05 AM
> Subject: Re: anonyme posting
>
>
> Hello, dear Agnetta --
>
> You wrote:
> < One of the students asked me a question I really couldn't answer -
> yes, I answered, but I am not satisfied. She asked: what if one made =
>an
> OS on a workplace where they had sexual harassments, and somebody =
>wanted
> to post the issue but didn't dare. Could that person post it
> anonymously? If not, why? I tried to answer her, I talked about =
>passion
> and responsibility and possible problems.and I told her that it was a
> very tricky question. What would you answer?>
>
> I have had people not be able to stand in front of the group to post,
> but they have had the courage to write a topic and to appear at the
> designated discussion area when it is time. So they had the passion =
>and
> took the responsibility but just couldn't feel comfortable standing in
> front of the crowd and naming it. So in these instances I have
> announced the issue for them and then given the paper back to them to
> post wherever on the agenda wall.
>
> This is a bit similar but of course the person had to show up =
>ultimately
> for the session to begin it.
>
> We all know how people have to find a way to name things and be there
> for the conversation, otherwise people would just name sessions and
> never take responsibility to engage - they would just say 'people =
>should
> talk about x' and not be there to help it happen.
>
> And/but here you have a delicate situation IF the person feels
> vulnerable saying the topic or being in the group or anything, =
>perhaps.
>
> The next best thing I can think of is to recommend the person find
> someone they know who is not uncomfortable with hosting the subject, =
>and
> to ask that person if they'd like to post/host it.
>
> The other part of my thinking is that I would try to do the same
> thorough pre-work as for every OS event to see what is the best theme,
> sense what the elephant / moose / skeleton (hidden) issues are, and to
> be informed as much as possible in that way when choosing words to =
>open
> the space.
>
> Other than that, I would tell the person how proud I am that they =
>think
> of bringing this issue into conversation and I support them in doing =
>so
> wherever and in whatever way they can where they might feel safe or
> courageous - even if that safety and courage means they do not post =
>it.
> Oftentimes something really important gets talked about all the way
> through an Open Space even if it is not posted - it just comes up in
> many sessions throughout the day...because the intention is there to
> talk about it.
>
> Great question.
>
> What do others think?
>
> Lisa
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2>dear Agneta, dear=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2>thank you for this =
>great question=20
>and response! </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2>This reminds me on an =
>1day OST=20
>conference with about 70 people from last year. "Something unexpected" =
>and=20
>really wonderful happend at the afternoon. Here briefly the situation: =
>During=20
>the agenda setting phase within a few minutes 27 topics were raised. The =
>session=20
>groups were working very intensive since approx. 4 hours as I saw one =
>person=20
>walking (like an almost invisble butterfly). Then I felt, that he was =
>"looking=20
>for me" ... but in a very shy way. I decided not to go to him and not to =
>ask=20
>him. Maybe 30 minutes later he came to me and said, that he prefere to =
>be a=20
>butterfly ... and he said, that he would have an urgent topic. I said, =
>if you=20
>want, you can raise it now ... in 15 minutes our last time slot will =
>beginn and=20
>we can arrange for you within a few seconds a further session room.=20
></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2>He said, "NO ... =
>because in a=20
>special kind my issue has also to do with these people here and my =
>desire=20
>would be, that interested people could discuss <U>without me</U> some =
>possible=20
>solutions." I said, that this is a wonderful idea, and I recommended =
>that he=20
>could raise his issue AND let the people at the same time know how he =
>would like=20
>to have the workshop setting. </FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana =
>color=3D#000080 size=3D2>I=20
>saw how happy he was, and then he said ... "OK, I will invite them to my =
>issue -=20
>then I will only describe my problem and my desire - and then I will =
>leave them=20
>alone." I said, "great ... are you ready?" He said yes and I felt his =
>amazing=20
>courage. </FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2>It was exactly =
>the time before=20
>the last time slot should start and therefore (with a little help from =
>the=20
>temble bells) many people listened him ... by standing around him in a =
>circle.=20
>It was a very special - quite - emotional moment. He was very authentic =
>and=20
>everybody could see and feel his grief. Within a few seconds our =
>wonderful=20
>co-facilitators arranged a new session space - and immediately 10 or 12=20
>participants went to this area and sat down. I was surprised to see, =
>that he=20
>went also to this session space. From the distance I could see, that he=20
>introduced into his topic and about 10 minutes later he came to me. He =
>wanted to=20
>share with me, that the group and he made the following arrangement: =
>first the=20
>group works alone and 10 minutes before the session end the group wants =
>to=20
>inform him about their solution ideas. </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Then he went to the =
>bufett. The=20
>group worked very intensive - they used big papers, and they had one =
>person, who=20
>was responsible for the proceeding. Later, the man went back to the =
>group in=20
>order to hear the results. Then they worked together until the closing =
>circle=20
>... "only the talking stick" could stop their conversations :). I was =
>deeply=20
>impressed to see his happy eyes. A few days after the OST somebody told =
>me, that=20
>this man (BTW, he is almost 70 years old) had a deep healing experience =
>during=20
>and after the event. This was a gift for me.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Cheers from=20
>Berlin,<BR>Gabriela</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080></FONT> </DIV>
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>black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dlisaheft at openingspace.net=20
> href=3D"mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net">Lisa Heft</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
> title=3DOSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE=
>.EDU</A>=20
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 07, 2005 =
>7:05=20
> AM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: anonyme =
>posting</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>Hello, dear Agnetta --<BR><BR>You wrote:<BR>< One of =
>the=20
> students asked me a question I really couldn't answer -<BR>yes, I =
>answered,=20
> but I am not satisfied. She asked: what if one made an<BR>OS on a =
>workplace=20
> where they had sexual harassments, and somebody wanted<BR>to post the =
>issue=20
> but didn't dare. Could that person post it<BR>anonymously? If not, =
>why? I=20
> tried to answer her, I talked about passion<BR>and responsibility and =
>possible=20
> problems.and I told her that it was a<BR>very tricky question. What =
>would you=20
> answer?><BR><BR>I have had people not be able to stand in front of =
>the=20
> group to post,<BR>but they have had the courage to write a topic and =
>to appear=20
> at the<BR>designated discussion area when it is time. So they had the =
>passion=20
> and<BR>took the responsibility but just couldn't feel comfortable =
>standing=20
> in<BR>front of the crowd and naming it. So in these instances I=20
> have<BR>announced the issue for them and then given the paper back to =
>them=20
> to<BR>post wherever on the agenda wall.<BR><BR>This is a bit similar =
>but of=20
> course the person had to show up ultimately<BR>for the session to =
>begin=20
> it.<BR><BR>We all know how people have to find a way to name things =
>and be=20
> there<BR>for the conversation, otherwise people would just name =
>sessions=20
> and<BR>never take responsibility to engage - they would just say =
>'people=20
> should<BR>talk about x' and not be there to help it =
>happen.<BR><BR>And/but=20
> here you have a delicate situation IF the person feels<BR>vulnerable =
>saying=20
> the topic or being in the group or anything, perhaps.<BR><BR>The next =
>best=20
> thing I can think of is to recommend the person find<BR>someone they =
>know who=20
> is not uncomfortable with hosting the subject, and<BR>to ask that =
>person if=20
> they'd like to post/host it.<BR><BR>The other part of my thinking is =
>that I=20
> would try to do the same<BR>thorough pre-work as for every OS event to =
>see=20
> what is the best theme,<BR>sense what the elephant / moose / skeleton =
>(hidden)=20
> issues are, and to<BR>be informed as much as possible in that way when =
>
> choosing words to open<BR>the space.<BR><BR>Other than that, I would =
>tell the=20
> person how proud I am that they think<BR>of bringing this issue into=20
> conversation and I support them in doing so<BR>wherever and in =
>whatever way=20
> they can where they might feel safe or<BR>courageous - even if that =
>safety and=20
> courage means they do not post it.<BR>Oftentimes something really =
>important=20
> gets talked about all the way<BR>through an Open Space even if it is =
>not=20
> posted - it just comes up in<BR>many sessions throughout the =
>day...because the=20
> intention is there to<BR>talk about it.<BR><BR>Great =
>question.<BR><BR>What do=20
> others think?<BR><BR>Lisa<BR><BR>___________________________<BR>L i s=20
> a H e f t<BR>Consultant, Facilitator, Educator<BR>O p e n =
>i n=20
> g S p a c e<BR>2325 Oregon<BR>Berkeley,=20
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