Givens -- Again : some comments

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From: "Artur Silva" <arturfsilva at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Givens -- Again : some comments


> Thanks, for speaking up, Chris.
>
>
> --- chris weaver <chris at springbranch.net> wrote:
> > So, Artur, Harrison, et al:  Does this hurt the
> > event?  Does this disrespect
> > the people?
>
> No, I don't think it does and (if I understood well)
> it is even an interesting way to make some previous
> undiscussable ideas of the sponsor discussable.
>
> But, as you recall, my main point about "givens" has
> always been the word itself. Who "gives" the "givens"?
> It must be some sort of unquestionable authority.
> Unless they would not be called "givens"...
>
> So, when you ask the sponsor "are there any givens?"
> aren't you acccepting the command and control way?
> Could't that be rephrased as, for instance, "are there
> any ideas or conclusions that you consider
> undiscussable in this meeting?" (and then proceed in
> the same direction you explained).
>
> Artur
>
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