Muddling Through

[chris macrae]

Can we expand at all on stories of mothers and bosses hating innovation.
I wonder if there is a way of talking up the 'so you don't want
innovation' to such absurdity that even managers or bushes start begging
for it

Not quite incidentally:
http://www.knowledgeboard.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?ap=1&id=133031&d=pnd&date
format=%25o-%25B
this thread explains why I believe that every network or alumni group
should now be sharpening their most startling story. It's illustrated by
a mathematical network that can demonstrate the high probability of our
extinction within 3 generations=63 years= 9 (thirds of generations- one
of which the US is consigned to under leader Bush's 7 year itch)

 I know we have lots of startling stories but I wonder if OST alumni
have one that most fits the way of explaining what OST people know best
that most other people will never know until they experience Open Space

Chris macrae, wcbn007 at easynet.co.uk
Some startling networks I love at http://chrismacrae.blogspot.com/

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Chris wrote: Why is management that says it wants to innovate so afraid
of
mess?

I guess that is pretty simple. Most managers are trained and paid to
avoid
messes. Not too long ago (and maybe still) the shorthand answer to the
question: What is good management? -- was "Make the plan, manage to the
plan, and meet the plan." In short -- always be in control and never
make a
mess. Your Mother wouldn't like it and neither will your Boss.

Harrison

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macrae
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Subject: Re: Muddling Through

Maybe I mis-worded what I was trying to say. Why is it we live in a
world where an organisation that asks for consultant or facilitation
help expects first a proposal that makes everything look neat and
controllable rather than one that says well the messes we will need to
go through before we will have a chance of knowing what next to do are:
...
I think I met a comfort in terms of confidence in understanding that
mess is the first step into any real innovation; ideally confidence to
rip up crap proposals of the sort that make innovation sound tidy and
controllable before you start...

Why is management that says it wants to innovate so afraid of mess?

Cheers
chris
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Harrison Owen
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Chris -- I think helping them to feel comfortable with the mess may be
wasted effort. I think a more productive approach might be to help them
to
see there is no option -- and then get on with the business. Actually, I
think the very dis-comfort of the moment may be the most useful thing
going
down just now.

Harrison

Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland   20845
Phone 301-365-2093

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