Hierarchy

Sun Mar 28 15:53:56 PST 2004

George is a shrub (SMALL BUSH) Has minor talents and major family
connections. He was also prettier than Jeb. Nobody at that level is totally
stupid. But "W" comes as close as you can get.

ho

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Subject: Re: Hierarchy

Thanks, Harrison - thoughtful as always.

Would you also explain GW Bush like this?
John
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Owen
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John -- on the basis of no hard data, carefully collected and randomly,
double blinded -- I would definitely answer YES. After 40+ years of being in
a variety of organizations including the Church, Federal Government (US) at
what is known as "Senior Levels", Non-For profits -- and for the last 23
years, sitting in as a consultant -- I KNOW that the folks who really can
make it in all dimensions are those who can effectively "go with the flow",
intuit the self-organizing informal organization, know the "rule" book and
never take it seriously -- except to buttress a position previously taken --
in short real open spaceniks. . . these folks rule. Just my opinion.

Harrison

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Rapp
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 2:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Hierarchy

I continue to be a major fan of OS, and have only one major continuing
question about its potential limitation: Are abilities that cause/allow some
to lead in OS well-correlated with the abilities required to lead in a
day-to-day enterprise?  This question may be a bit similar to whether great
political candidates also make great political leaders.  J.

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Owen
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:13 AM
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Subject: Hierarchy

Hierarchy for sure gets a bad rap. But as Michael points out, hierarchies
show up naturally, even -- and maybe most especially  -- in Open Space.
Somebody has the passion, takes the responsibility and some other folks come
along. I don't know what else you would call it. I call it Hierarchy. But --
and this is a BIG BUT -- it is a natural hierarchy totally dependant upon
the situation, the people involved and the task they are undertaking. Change
any of those variables and you will have a new organization/hierarchy. I
think the critical thing is that it is natural, and therefore appropriate to
that particular situation. The problem with hierarchies that not only get
the bad rap, but fully deserve that rap, is that they are imposed,
arbitrary, and un natural. I don't care that the CEO/MD was appointed by the
Board and gets the big bucks/yen/marks -- that does not make him or her THE
leaders. I think that went out with the Divine Right of Kings. Or something.

One other problem with Hierarchy may also be that it is (unfortunately) an
artifact of our graphics. When we draw our organizations they always seem to
come out looking like an inverted family tree. A real odd tree with the
branches in the ground and the trunk in the air. No wonder it dies. You
would too if you had your head 6 feet under! But there are other graphics --
circles, spheres -- polycentric spheres in 3-D. Suppose you thought of an
organization as polycentric spheres all overlapping each other to some
degree. And at the center of each was the one with the passion who took the
responsibility. Now tell me which way is up -- and does it really matter?

Harrison

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Michael M
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:00 AM
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Dear Larry,
the "team" I referred to, is the temporary organization created for the
os-event (not part of the sponsor) made up of assistants, helpers,
facilitator, documentation specialists, photographer etc..
This team has or rather gives itself a hierarchy.
Its been a great learning field for me to look at these small "systems" that
I am part of when involved with facilitating an open space and to tinker
with "appropriate" structure or hierarchy.
One of the principles that I try to stick to is the notion of the "fully
present and invisible" facilitator...recent feedback has indicated that
sometimes the hierarchy designed for the facilitation team actually supports
this "state" in the eyes of the participants...extending the "fully presnt
and invisible" mode to all team-members from the experience of the observing
participants.
My assumption in general is that every system has a hierarchy (more or less
appropriate) (Ken Wilbur reports of more than 200 hierarchies that he had
collected in his search for a "fit", eventually coming up with the concept
of "holons"...noting that "Even those memes that don't recognize hierarchies
- such as beige or purple - still have hierarchical structures. Everybody
seemed to have some sort of hierarchy, even those who claimed they didn't.)
The reason I am diving into this aspect:
Where can I get a more practical and existential learning or remembering
experience than in my actual praxis?
And:
(referring to Joelles comments about open space and hierarchy) I find it
productive to look at "hierarchy" as a "given" in all systems and
organizations without the popular stigma attached to the term (I looked it
up in the Unabridged and there it is almost exclusively documented with that
negative stigma attached). What would a system or organization look like in
which hierarchy is eliminated? Appears, it would no longer exist.
Selforganization, which surfaces especially visible in ost-events or when
children play,  brings forth hierarchy and structure. Yes, of a kind that
has no designer! And of a kind that seems the appropriate vessel for
creating "peace" out of chaos, confusion and conflict.
Ok, what kind of hierarchy is appropriate for the " team" described at the
beginning that "facilitates" the ost-event?
Or, what kind of hierarchy is appropriate for the subsystem in the
organization you are working with that has the role of "providing support to
tenants and staff as they work together to enable the local clusters to make
key decisionsen"
Greetings from Berlin
mmp

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:44:02 -0500, Larry Peterson wrote:

>Michael:  You said:
>
>"For me as facilitator working with teams (often groups of  7 or more)
>its proven to be useful to consciously design the "hierarchy" for the
>team and for the interaction of the team with other subsystems
>(catering, publishing, facility management, the sponsors, child-care,
>sound technician, press/radio/television, etc.)  for the open
>space-event (including pre-meetings, setting up the os, the os itself,
>follow up)."
>
>I'm not sure I understand what you mean.  I usually don't get involved
>in "designing" the hierarchy in systems I'm in.

Michael M Pannwitz
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