Hierarchies, decision making and a real-life example

Tue Apr 6 00:21:43 PDT 2004

Dear ho,
if you still have problems figuring out swamp-life to read Pogo.
mmp

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:19:17 -0500, Harrison Owen wrote:

>Wonderful to see you back online, Peggy -- and to know that the Sun actually
>shines in Seattle. As for your discussion on COSMOS etc -- I think we need
>more SWAMPS. Swamps (those grungy, smelly places where turtles hang out) are
>always getting a bad rap. But they really are wonderful. Life begins there
>for lots of critters, and the forms are always emergent and new. Of course
>it is sort of a mess, but that seems to be what life is all about -- a good
>mess. And when we finally get it all straightened out -- well I think it is
>over. So here's to Swamps and messes. And to you too Peggy. And you can make
>whatever you like out of that sequence -- swamp, mess, Peggy. . . .
>
>ho
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>From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peggy
>Holman
>Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:03 PM
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>Subject: Re: Hierarchies, decision making and a real-life example
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>Ah, Michael, you caught me.  I used the broad term (CAS) when really meaning
>that elusive subset sometimes called the conscious self-organizing system,
>sometimes named as an open space organization.  What I mean by these terms
>remains a challenge for me to describe.  My latest attempt is organizations
>that aspire to operate with ever increasing capacity for emergent leadership
>and form.  What to call it?  How about COSMOS for Consciously Opening
>Space - More - OrganizationS.  How's that for including the whole of it?
>
>
>> Another thing that puzzles me: What exactly was the decision/action
>> that Michael H took?
>
>Sorry I didn't explicitly name what I saw as Michael's decision.  It was
>actually just a query he made that caused our listserv hosts to flip a
>switch making the archives available without registering for the list.
>
>
>The name aside, my reflections still stand.  I experience something tangibly
>different about communities and organizations where the mix of rigidity and
>fluidity in leadership and form is heavily on the fluid end of the spectrum
>such that roles and structure are more likely to emerge based on passion and
>responsibility.
>
>
>>From Seattle, where the sun is actually shining two days in a row,
>Peggy
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pannwitz, Michael M" <mmpanne at boscop.de>
>To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Hierarchies, decision making and a real-life example
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>> Dear Peggy,
>> and here I thought all systems and organizations (traditional or
>> whatever) are complex adaptive systems?
>> Also, I had the hunch from my long life in a "traditional"
>> organization (and that enforces my question on all systems being CAS)
>> that things there often appeared to happen regardless, in spite of ,
>> etc. what decisions were being taken at the "top". In fact, if those
>> decisions from the "top" would really have had the impact imagined,
>> the organization would long have gone out of busisness.
>> Another thing that puzzles me: What exactly was the decision/action
>> that Michael H took?
>> Greetings from Berlin
>> mmp
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