Conversing about..."the right conditions" (fwd)

[john engle]

dear alexander,

i appreciate what you are saying. i believe your words have great value.
but, there are many many things that i confront regularly that i cannot
appreciate, nor do i feel it appropriate to appreciate: torture and other
violations of human rights.

fortunately, many of us enjoy a life where such terror is nothing more than
a distant grief. for all too many people, it is not distant at all.

let us stay grounded in the reality of the whole and not of a certain
portion.

respectfully,

john engle





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>From: Alexander Kjerulf <alexander at kjerulf.com>
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>Subject: Re: Conversing about..."the right conditions" (fwd)
>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:11:51 +0200
>
>I agree totally - acceptance of what happened is a pre-requisite for
>learning from what happened. Actually I would take it one step further
>and say that you should not just *accept* what happens, you should
>*appreciate* it. To me acceptance means "yeah OK, I can live with that",
>while appreciation means "I appreciate this happening right now, with
>all the good AND bad implications". Does anybody else see this distinction?
>
>To take it one step further, acceptance seems to me to be a little more
>passive whereas appreciating something is an active, conscious decision
>to find the good in that thing. And to me at least, appreciating what
>happens puts me in a learning mode.
>
>Marei's post cleared one more thing up for me, namely that my thinking
>has been "Hey, if everyone just accepts whatever happens, nobody will
>ever learn." But nobody reacts that way do they? We humans are learning
>machines, we can't NOT learn.
>
>Cheers
>
>Alexander
>
>Marei Kiele wrote:
>
>>About letting go and getting things done, about accepting and learning
>>and about past, future and Now - I've been thinking a lot these last
>>two days. And Chris, Ted, Alexander, Lisa, Shay and Harrison - thank
>>you so much for sharing, your thoughts have been extremely helpful to me.
>>
>>With accepting what happened I find myself doing better and better.
>>But letting go plans and dreams and visions for the future - this
>>seemed to be not only hard but not even desirable.
>>
>>And then today, just by the way, I recognized two voices in me (kind
>>of arguing). And I want to ask if any of you knows these voices, too.
>>One of them saying: If you are not heading for a better future and not
>>working hard on it (not only for yourself but for others) - you are
>>just not worth living the life you live (thanks Lisa for our
>>conversation in Bramstrup). And I decided not to agree with that voice.
>>
>>And the other one was saying: If you don't concentrate on what you do
>>and on what you're aiming for and work hard for it you will never
>>reach anything.
>>And suddenly I realized that this voice is a relative of those saying,
>>open space will not work because we always need somebody being in
>>charge and controlling the work. And I said no to that voice, too.
>>
>>The thought popped up in my mind that perhaps we don't have to plan
>>and concentrate on learning. Maybe accepting and learning is just ONE
>>thing - not two different. Maybe when I am open and live with an
>>expanded Now my learning happens by the way.
>>For example I remember learning English: In which situation my
>>learning is more fun and even more sucessful? If I concentrate on my
>>“mistakes” and on what vocabulary I “should” use next time? Or if I
>>just talk and am open to the impressions around me? I do remember my
>>English beeing most fluent when I am authentic, not controlling
>>myself, not controlling the outcome. If I just DO (as Chris sujested)
>>and go step by step - suddenly I've got things done.
>>
>>One of the sentences I love in “Expanding Our Now” is: “Somewhere
>>along the line we came up with the absurd notion that if everybody did
>>just what they wanted to, nothing would get done.” (S.33).
>>Referring to this I wish to say: “Somewhere along the line we came up
>>with the absurd notion that if we accepted what happened, we would
>>never learn.”
>>
>>But we do - and better than ever, don't we?
>>
>>Marei
>>
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