Fw: [searchnet] The Math of Networks
Meg Salter
meg at megsalter.com
Wed Sep 10 17:52:25 PDT 2003
I got the 'long link' reference from an earlier posting - via Peggy Holman
and Kenoli.
To paraphrase - my understanding is that ...most networks are both tightly
clustered [go to nodes close by - people who already know each other fairly
well] AND have 'weak connections - which go to totally different places' -
aka long links - between previously isolated clusters - people who didn't
know each other. So it's the old both - and. both similarity and novelty.
so building on the ken wilber thing - yes, long links help to bring the
network to life, translate the current maximum possibility. And depth links
act like a heightened vector. Still - I think that enough of the long links
stuff, and - presto magico - thru the power of self-organization, you
naturally 'tip over' into another depth dimension.
you know a funny thing happened today. In the middle of this somewhat
gruelling 2 hour meeting with research scientists/ steering committee
reviewing the agenda - they kept coming back to the invitation list. Who
should come? have we got the outlying people? somehow the right questions
seem to pop up. We KNOW this stuff - intuitively, in our heart of hearts.
end of day thoughts in glorious fall weather Toronto
Meg
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> Hi Meg:
>
> Long links.not a term I have heard before. I'm wondering though, taking
> a turn at invoking Ken Wilber here, if what you are describing is "deep
> links," in other words, links that extend through the levels of matter,
> mind, body, soul and spirit. To me, "long" implies breadth of span, and
> those people are really useful in Open Space too. Maybe they appear as
> butterflies and bumblebees, somehow seeming to be connected to the whole
> group in a way that others are not, somehow standing on both the inside
> and the outside.
>
> I think the OST facilitator is the deep link and the act of holding
> space, as we continually define it, is the act of enfolding the group in
> higher levels of possibility, or as you have put it "a space meta to the
> network...a link to enspiritng energy that is the source of all new
> creative potential"
>
> I like that.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ---
> CHRIS CORRIGAN
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> http://www.chriscorrigan.com
> chris at chriscorrigan.com
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> Salter
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:01 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Fw: [searchnet] The Math of Networks
>
> Thanks Chris
> I'm meeting with a bunch of research scientists this afternoon to plan
> an open space. For some people, mathematical or exterior language helps
> them to feel at home with this concept.
> And another musing thought about ... long links. Certaiinly links among
> disparate groups/ people create a long link within the current
> network, helping to energize it, create a living group from what might
> have been disparate, unconnected people/groups.
> I wonder if the facilitator is a long link too. ie, by holding space,
> being invisible and deeply present, the facilitator is energiziing a
> long link to - a potential outside the network. . a space meta to the
> network?.. a link to enspiritng energy that is the source of all new
> creative potential???
> And then I wonder too, why in so many spiritual traditions, the link to
> the teacher is considered critical... another long link?
> Meg Salter
>
> MegaSpace Consulting
> (416) 486-6660
> meg at megsalter.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Corrigan
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [searchnet] The Math of Networks
>
> Welcome Alexander, and thanks for your blog link too. Several of us
> here have weblogs as well, including myself
> (http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot ) , Michael Herman
> (http://www.globalchicago.net) and Martin Leith
> (http://www.martinleith.com/blog/). I like what blogging (keeping
> weblogs and linking to sources) is doing in the wider world to connect
> people and ideas and create networks. I'll add you to my list of links.
>
> As for the math of networks, I like what David P. Reed has said on this.
> In this article - http://www.epublicrelations.org/Reedlaw.html - someone
> has outlined his mathematical law of group formation:
>
> "The Group Forming Law (or, Reed's Law) calculates the number of groups
> of two or more people which can be formed a single group.
>
> For example, how many groups of two or more people can be formed with an
> initial group of three? According to Reed's Law is 2N-N-1. Substituting
> 3 for N the answer is 4. Not a very impressive number. However, the
> answer grows dramatically as N grows. For example, how many groups of
> two or more people can be formed in a classroom of 20 students? The
> answer? 1,048,555!!!
>
> More here:
> http://www.contextmag.com/setFrameRedirect.asp?src=/archives/199903/Digi
> talStrategy.asp
>
> I sometimes like to do the math before meetings to use the figures to
> explain the amount of potential in the room. Walking the circle,
> uttering the second principle about whatever happens, I sometimes say
> "and if you don't believe me, understand this: The twenty of you in
> this room can form yourselves in over one million permutations, so don't
> be too worried about what might have been.work with what is."
>
> And Harrison, I've often thought of responsibility not so much as an
> initial condition, but more as a kind of boundary that both enables and
> bounds the passion. Passion and responsibility have a symbiotic
> relationship in Open Space, but my experience has been that people
> discover their responsibility AFTER they tap their passion. In other
> words, without passion as the initial condition, it's less likely that
> people will feel like they need to propose a topic, much less convene a
> conversation or follow up. But people motivated by passion can seem to
> do anything. Reminding them that the CAN do anything (with the Law of
> Two Feet) certainly helps.
>
> ---
> CHRIS CORRIGAN
> Bowen Island, BC, Canada
> http://www.chriscorrigan.com
> chris at chriscorrigan.com
> (604) 947-9236
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> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Harrison Owen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:23 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Fw: [searchnet] The Math of Networks
>
> At 11:58 AM 9/9/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Yeah, small world networks are definitely a big part of why Open Space
> works. Actually it's a big part of why the world works :o)
>
> Mark Buchanan has written an excellent and highly readable book called
> "Small world" on this very new and very promising science. I've reviewed
> it here: http://www.kjerulf.com/journal/00000214.htm .
>
> Obvious parallels between small world networks and open space gatherings
> include:
> * Small world networks are highly adaptable, yet very stable - as are
> Open Space gatherings
> * The structure in small worlds networks arises without central planning
> - as in OS
> * Bumblebees can be seen as "weak connections" between tightly knit
> groups - one of the main reasons that small world networks are tightly
> knit
>
> Right on! Despite the fact that some folks think they actually organize
> networks, I think the truth of the matter is that they happen all by
> themselves in the way of all self-organizing systems. The critical point
> of initiation is the convergence of passion and responsibility --
> somebody cares about something and takes responsibility to talk to
> others who might share the care. If the fire of passion ignites -- you
> have a network. If it fizzles and goes out in a puff of smoke, you don't
> -- and no amount of huffing and puffing will make any difference. Sounds
> a lot like Open Space to me. All of which relates, I guess, to Artur's
> thoughts about "essential conditions" . . . Chris put it neatly
> (although I am not so sure how elegant I was) "As for the conditions
> that make Open Space really hum, I go back to
> Harrison's elegantly stated four: passion, diversity, complexity and
> urgency. The more of each, the better the process works." I think it
> might work better if one were to say passion/responsibility -- but
> anyhow I find the same essential conditions apply to all useful
> networks.
>
> ho
>
>
>
>
>
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Drive
> Potomac, MD 20854 USA
> phone 301-365-2093
> 207-763-3261 (Summer)
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> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
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>From Wed Sep 10 20:47:07 2003
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From: Ted Ernst <ted at chicagohumanist.org>
Subject: Chicago Social Forum (again) AND Conversing about..."the right
conditions"
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Some of you may have read my earlier emails about the Chicago Social Forum
process. I facilatated a 4-person OST event for the Aug planning meeting
where it was decided to do it again for the Sept meeting, where the first
part would be a suggestion for conversations on the theme Local/Global and
the 2nd part would be a suggestion for "business type" organizing for the
"event" on Jan 31-Feb 1 (the Chicago Social Forum is both a process and an
event, I suppose).
Anyway, last night was that Sept meeting and while the process worked
perfectly as always, and what happened was the only thing that could have, I
was left thinking "these people just aren't ready for this type of
self-responsibility." Harrison pointed out a couple of months back that
he'd take battle hardened marines over the peace, love and light crowd any
time if choosing a group that thrives in open space. I can't remember his
reasoning, but last night I had to do a heck of a lot of internal work to
just let it all happen.
The first session went off pretty well (a couple of people wanted to change
the process, but we worked through that) with abot 5 conversations among
about 14 people, ranging from the FTAA actions to Africa to Food Security to
Housing and more. Good stuff and people seemed to like it. I felt
something strange when people were getting ready to change sessions I went
to the washroom (not wanting to influence people's actions by my presence).
When I came back I found everyone in a circle dispite the 5 or 6 distinct
topics on the wall. Everyone merged themselves into the "Program
Committee." This kind of large group (facilitated) discussion always seems
like such a waste of time to me as I'm not interested in many of the issues
discussed, but I don't want to impose my agenda on the whole group so my
stuff doesn't get discussed. Anyway, I took a seat outside the circle
(there wasn't space in the circle and I didn't want to push my way in,
didn't feel right as the facilitator at that moment) and listened (I
expressed a substantive opinion at one point, but nothing about process).
One topic that came up was the format for future organizing meetings. Some
people said point blank they'd like a traditional format while others liked
the idea of open space for the 1st session as a way to have conversations
that might not otherwise take place, but having the large group 2nd part was
universally accepted. One person opinioned that union leaders or clergy
that have little time to go to more meetings would likely not come back to a
process using something so strange as the open space format.
My assessment: They don't get it. Is this the only thing that could've
happened? Yes. Given that these are were the right people, this is the
only way the meeting could've gone. If these were not the right people,
what's the point in even having the meeting or discussing what happened as
the point is moot. I'm convinced these were/are the right people and
they're not ready to trust themselves nor take responsibility for creating
something truly unprecedented. I'm happy we tried it no matter what, but if
anything comes out of last night, I hope it's that people now feel the
tension between what they're trying to create and the ways in which they're
used to working. If they don't so be it, but if they do, maybe they'll be
ready for more open space at another time.
Peace,
Ted
Humanize the Earth! http://www.chicagohumanist.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Chris Corrigan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:38 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Conversing about..."the right conditions"
>
>
> I have been working hard over the past few years to let go of
> what might be and just focus on what is. To say that there
> are "right" conditions and "wrong" conditions, especially as
> regards to the future is, as you point out, not a very useful
> exercise.
>
> Accepting the now is basically all we can do. To argue with
> reality is insanity! But it's never easy to get a clear
> picture of what "now" is. We have to see past the stories we
> generate in our heads or in our relationships to get at the
> underlying "now-ness" of the present moment.
>
> Of course I can believe that we can influence our futures,
> but I stop short about saying how. Yesterday's "initial
> conditions" have led us to where we are today. And today's
> "action" is tomorrow's "initial conditions." Given the
> intellectual yoga required to grasp all this, perhaps the
> best thing to do is just DO. And of course we will all have
> our own ideas about doing what, but I think most people try
> to act out of goodness or positive intention. Throwing
> people into Open Space to explore options for doing just
> increases each person's exposure to alternatives, leading to
> a richer field of action.
>
> So, as usual, I have outlined a roundabout way of agreeing
> with you, Marei.
>
> Chris
>
> ---
> CHRIS CORRIGAN
> Bowen Island, BC, Canada
> http://www.chriscorrigan.com
> chris at chriscorrigan.com
>
> (604) 947-9236
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Marei
> > Kiele
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:32 PM
> > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Conversing about..."the right conditions"
> >
> > Dear Chris, dear Arthur,
> >
> > it has been very interesting for me to think about the question and
> the
> > answer given. During the last days I tried to clarify for
> myself the
> > difference between accepting and
> not-doing-anything-anymore. For me it
> has
> > to do with the time I am referring to.
> >
> > I agree that whatever happens under the present conditions
> is whatever
> > could have and that there is no use in thinking about "ifs" and
> "shoulds".
> > And maybe the conditions are not only right but neither right nor
> wrong -
> > they just are. This is true esp. when thinking about the now or the
> past.
> >
> > But thinking about the future I can ask which conditions are
> supportive
> > and which are not: which make change, development,
> transformation more
> > possible than others? If one of the things necessary for
> > differenciation (as I agree with)
> is a
> > nutritious environment - than we can influence the
> possibilities for
> > transformation by sharing nutrition (physically or in other
> dimensions).
> >
> > And referring to "wrong" conditions in organisations, the world, our
> > heads: Maybe they seem not to be helpful or not fitting anymore or
> born
> > out of anxiousness. But at least they were the "right"
> conditions at
> > another time or place. And in the moment being they are
> still "right"
> for
> > the organisation or the person and we - judging them - just
> don't have
> all
> > the insights...
> >
> > What I decided to try doing is both: totally accept the past and the
> now -
> > but do my share to influence the future (and accept whatever is
> coming).
> > Does that make sense to you?
> >
> > Marei
> >
> >
> >
> > "Chris Corrigan" <chris at chriscorrigan.com> schrieb:
> > > Whatever conditions are present are the right conditions for
> whatever
> > > happens is the only thing that could have happened.
> > >
> > > Seriously.
> > >
> > > I think the second principle refers to the fact that no
> matter what
> > > initial conditions are present, whatever happens is the only thing
> that
> > > could have. It sounds like a tautology, but I think of
> it more as a
> Zen
> > > koan. It is supposed to bring your consciousness to a place that
> > > accepts the fact that "should" is an extremely useless
> word when we
> are
> > > dealing with an expanded now.
> > >
> > > As for the conditions that make Open Space really hum, I
> go back to
> > > Harrison's elegantly stated four: passion, diversity,
> complexity and
> > > urgency. The more of each, the better the process works.
> > >
> > > And that, for many facilitators and managers, is another paradox.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > ---
> > > CHRIS CORRIGAN
> > > Bowen Island, BC, Canada
> > > http://www.chriscorrigan.com
> > > chris at chriscorrigan.com
> > >
> > > (604) 947-9236
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
> Behalf Of
> > > Artur
> > > > Ferreira da Silva
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:18 AM
> > > > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> > > > Subject: Conversing about..."the right conditions"
> > > >
> > > > Hello again:
> > > >
> > > > For someone like myself that has problems with the capitalized
> word
> > > Spirit (as well as with some other capitalized words) and with the
> > wording of
> > > the "principle" that says "whatever happens is the only thing that
> could
> > > have" I felt very surprised as I completely agree with this
> formulation
> > > (from Alan's, "The Conversing Company"):
> > > >
> > > > "... When people interact under the right conditions, spirit or
> > > > intelligence emerges automatically - it is the only thing that
> could
> > > > have".
> > > >
> > > > The way I see the "right conditions" to be present, or not, are
> the
> > > > following:
> > > >
> > > > - In "normal organizations", using current meeting
> methodologies,
> the
> > > > wrong conditions are normally present - they are
> "closed" by rules
> and
> > > > regulations, both explicit and tacit.
> > > >
> > > > - In our outside macro-world the wrong conditions are normally
> present
> > > > (see the Middle East or Iraq - before and now - to give only two
> > examples -
> > > > maybe three).
> > > >
> > > > - Inside our heads the wrong conditions are normally
> present - as
> > > > obsolete "mental models".
> > > >
> > > > For the space to be open it is necessary that someone
> opens it AND
> > > that the "right conditions" are defined/clarified in the first
> place.
> > Those
> > > right conditions are not only the OST principles and law but also:
> the
> > > correct preparation, the fact that all stakeholders with enough
> > diversity are
> > > > invited (but not obliged, directly or indirectly) to
> participate,
> a
> > > right and open theme is addressed, etc.
> > > >
> > > > I would very much like to see what others think that are the
> "right
> > > > conditions" for "whatever happens is the only thing that could
> happen"
> > > to be true.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Artur
> >
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>From Wed Sep 10 20:58:11 2003
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Sometimes there are more than one issue on the wall that I really want =
to go
to. Unfortunate, yes, but on the other hand, wonderful! It's not all =
about
me. The conversaion I don't attend will get along just fine without me =
and
I can still read about it later when the proceedings come out. As for
competitiveness between the conveners of those two meetings, maybe they =
both
just set the times that worked best in their view of the world and all =
the
factors that go into scheduling. Who's to say, but whatever happens in =
the
only thing that could have so unless I can convince one or the other of
those facilitators to change their meeting time, I have to use my two =
feet
and decide.
Hoping to be in Goa,
ted
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OSonOS's
Well, Herman,=20
nice idea, but I was thinking about something very oldfashioned like a
public timeplaner with preview dates...
=20
The more activities are running worldwide, the more it needs a =
coordinating
informationsystem, maybe in wiki?
Erich
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From: michael herman <mailto:mherman at globalchicago.net> =20
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Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: timing of OSonOS 2004 & recommendation for future planning =
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OSonOS's
Erich Kolenaty writes:
> Hi all!
>
> What we need is a (working) public bulletinboard and a marketplace, =
isn't
> it?
> Erich
>
sounds like wiki to me. we could post the proceedings from both events =
to
the .net wiki next year. simultaneously reading and posting in both =
places.
sounds like fun. michael h
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D312295101-11092003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Sometimes there are more than one issue on the wall that I =
really want to=20
go to. Unfortunate, yes, but on the other hand, wonderful! =
It's not=20
all about me. The conversaion I don't attend will get along just =
fine=20
without me and I can still read about it later when the proceedings come =
out. As for competitiveness between the conveners of those two =
meetings,=20
maybe they both just set the times that worked best in their view of the =
world=20
and all the factors that go into scheduling. Who's to say, but =
whatever=20
happens in the only thing that could have so unless I can convince one =
or the=20
other of those facilitators to change their meeting time, I have to use =
my two=20
feet and decide.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D312295101-11092003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Hoping=20
to be in Goa,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>ted</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
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[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Erich=20
Kolenaty<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:20 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: timing of OSonOS =
2004=20
& recommendation for future planning of =
OSonOS's<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800080 size=3D2>Well, Herman, =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800080 size=3D2>nice idea, but I was =
thinking about=20
something very oldfashioned like a public timeplaner with preview=20
dates...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800080 size=3D2>The more activities =
are running=20
worldwide, the more it needs a coordinating informationsystem, maybe =
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wiki?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800080 size=3D2>Erich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 09, =
2003 10:35=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: timing of OSonOS =
2004=20
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Erich Kolenaty writes:<BR><BR>> Hi =
all!<BR>><BR>>=20
What we need is a (working) public bulletinboard and a marketplace,=20
isn't<BR>> it?<BR>> Erich<BR>><BR><BR><BR>sounds like wiki =
to=20
me. we could post the proceedings from both events to<BR>the =
.net wiki=20
next year. simultaneously reading and posting in both=20
places.<BR>sounds like fun. michael=20
h<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> ----- Original Message=20
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