Open space Training in Weimar, Germany. Report of day2.
Velga Dislere
velgadislere at hotmail.com
Mon May 26 09:27:53 PDT 2003
Open space Training in Weimar, Germany. Report of day2.
May 26.th.
Hi again!
Today was the day when we did open space in action. The group together
worked under the theme “how do we use differences to make a difference”.
Alltogether 26 discussion groups took place during whole day. There were 43
people from 14 countries exchanging views, creating and getting more aware
of differences.
Dynamics of open space was changing all through the day. In the beginning
people were more up to sitting in one group and deeply discussing the issue,
by the end of the day, people started much more to move around (to
bumblebee). This created more dynamic and diverse conversations. Now we are
tired and full of new impressions, thoughts and FOOD. Yes indeed, food is
all the time around and we are getting stuffed with very good food.
Now we say goodbye,
Guido, Jana, Iris (Germany), Tadej (Slovenia), Velga (Latvia).
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>From Mon May 26 09:32:22 2003
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Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:32:22 -0700
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From: Chris Corrigan <chris at chriscorrigan.com>
Subject: Re: Open Space ,Self-Organizing Systems, and The Plexus Institute
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Plexus runs a series of conference calls, to which you can subscribe by
visiting their website. Harrison, you would make a great conference
call speaker.
Somehow I became a member of Plexus last year, and have been impressed
with the work they are doing. Conferences, newsletters on complexity,
conference calls with interesting people.in the Pacific Northwest of
America (and the Pacific Southwest of Canada) we have formed a Plexus
fractal, which is just a mini Plexus. There are plans in the works for
a regional conference.
So what would Plexus be interested in vis a vis Open Space?
I think perhaps they might find the following of interest:
* How does OST work WITH the complexity inherent in organizations
anc communities vs. process which need a more simple ground on which to
work?
* Are organizations and communities holographic, that is, does
each member of the group carry a reflection of the whole group within
themselves? If so, even metaphorically, what does this say about how
OST invites the character of groups and communities forward?
* What does OST imply for the ongoing operation of organizations,
especially regarding dynamics that provoke complexity like diversity,
urgency, multiple goals and objectives, and conflict?
* What's wrong with certainty?
I think the Plexus folks (at least the ones I know) would be open to
discussions of Spirit, flow, and self-organization for any number of
perspectives. On our little regional fractal email list we have had
quotes and thinking shared from Wheatley, Csikszentmihalyi, Prigogine
and others. For many people OST won't be unfamiliar terrain, and lots
of Plexus folks come from more scientific backgrounds than I do, or
Harrison or most of us that got here from the OD side.
I agree that Plexus will be a useful intermediary. Perhaps one day they
will even hold a conference in Open Space :-)
Let us know what turns up, Harrison.
Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
Harrison Owen
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:45 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Open Space ,Self-Organizing Systems, and The Plexus Institute
When it come to dealing with the interesting question: Why does Open
Space Work? -- I have found the emerging theory and practice
surrounding Self organization to be very helpful. Not the only help to
be sure, but definitely on the short list. I also confess to a degree of
frustration -- that to the moment, few in the larger scientific
community have taken any notice or interest in Open Space. I think this
is a lose/lose situation. We lose because their insights and questions
might reveal aspects of Open Space that we have failed to notice. And I
think they lose because, from where I sit, Open Space is a wonderful
natural experiment over time and in the present. Over time, we have
probably some 20,000 iterations of the "experiment" from which to learn.
Since most of us were more interested in the practical results than
"doing science" detailed accounts are hard to come by. but we do have a
network, and it does have a memory. And what we may have lost as a
matter of historical record can be replicated any time someone chooses
to open space.
Anyhow, it may happen that the Plexus Institute becomes a useful
intermediary. Those of you who were in OZ for OSONOS will remember Henri
Lipmanowicz who is chairman of the Institute and came to OZ to find out
about Open Space. The mission of the Institute is to discover and foster
the application of principles of self-organization to the real world of
human systems, particularly health care systems. Since OZ, Henri and I
have had a number of conversations, and I attended a conference they
sponsored in Austin TX -- which was most interesting and definitely
neither Open Space nor self-organizing. But one thing is sure, Plexus
did manage to attract substantive folks from multiple disciplines and
some useful conversations have started.
My conversations with Henri will continue, and hopefully move from talk
to action. Which brings me to the point (at long last) of this note.
What sort of actions, questions, explorations occur to you which might
be pursued with Plexus. Henri, Curt (The president) and I will be
conversing next week, and I will let you know the outcome -- but if any
burning, passionate issues or opportunities jump to your mind -- let me
know.
Harrison
Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, MD 20854 USA
phone 301-365-2093
Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
<http://www.openspaceworld.com/>
Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
<http://www.openspaceworld.org/>
Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Plexus runs a series of conference =
calls,
to which you can subscribe by visiting their website. <span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span></span></font><st1:place><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Harrison</span></font></st1:place><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, you
would make a great conference call speaker.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Somehow I became a member of Plexus =
last
year, and have been impressed with the work they are doing.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Conferences, newsletters on =
complexity,
conference calls with interesting people…in the Pacific Northwest =
of
America (and the Pacific Southwest of Canada) we have formed a Plexus =
fractal,
which is just a mini Plexus.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> =
</span>There
are plans in the works for a regional =
conference.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So what would Plexus be interested =
in <span
class=3DGramE>vis</span> a vis Open Space?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think perhaps they might find the
following of interest:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ul style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in' type=3Ddisc>
<li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>How does OST work WITH the complexity inherent in =
organizations anc
<span class=3DGramE>communities</span> vs.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span =
class=3DGramE>process</span>
which need a more simple ground on which to =
work?<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Are organizations and communities holographic, that is, does =
each
member of the group carry a reflection of the whole group within
themselves? <span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>If so, =
even
metaphorically, what does this say about how OST invites the =
character of
groups and communities forward?<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>What does OST imply for the ongoing operation of =
organizations,
especially regarding dynamics that provoke complexity like =
diversity,
urgency, multiple goals and objectives, and =
conflict?<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>What’s wrong with =
certainty?<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think the Plexus folks (at least =
the
ones I know) would be open to discussions of Spirit, flow, and
self-organization for any number of perspectives. <span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>On our little regional fractal =
email list
we have had quotes and thinking shared from Wheatley, Csikszentmihalyi, =
Prigogine
and others.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>For many =
people OST won’t
be unfamiliar terrain, and lots of Plexus folks come from more =
scientific
backgrounds than I do, or </span></font><st1:place><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Harrison</span></=
font></st1:place><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> or most of us that got here from the OD side.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree that Plexus will be a =
useful
intermediary. <span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Perhaps one =
day they
will even hold a conference in Open Space </span></font><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DWingdings><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-fam=
ily:
Arial;color:navy;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><=
span
style=3D'mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><=
/span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Let us know what turns up, =
</span></font><st1:place><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Harrison</span></font></st1:place><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>---<br>
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Bowen Island, BC, Canada<br>
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href=3D"http://www.chriscorrigan.com">http://www.chriscorrigan.com</a><br=
>
<a =
href=3D"mailto:chris at chriscorrigan.com">chris at chriscorrigan.com</a></span=
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New"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 26, =
2003 6:45 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Open Space
,Self-Organizing Systems, and The Plexus Institute</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>When it come to dealing with the interesting =
question:
Why does Open Space Work? -- I have found the emerging theory and
practice surrounding Self organization to be very helpful. Not the only =
help to
be sure, but definitely on the short list. I also confess to a degree of
frustration -- that to the moment, few in the larger scientific =
community have
taken any notice or interest in Open Space. I think this is a lose/lose
situation. We lose because their insights and questions might reveal =
aspects of
Open Space that we have failed to notice. And I think they lose because, =
from
where I sit, Open Space is a wonderful natural experiment over time and =
in the
present. Over time, we have probably some 20,000 iterations of the
"experiment" from which to learn. Since most of us were more
interested in the practical results than "doing science" =
detailed
accounts are hard to come by. but we do have a network, and it does have =
a
memory. And what we may have lost as a matter of historical record can =
be
replicated any time someone chooses to open space. <br>
<br>
Anyhow, it may happen that the Plexus Institute becomes a useful
intermediary. Those of you who were in OZ for OSONOS will remember Henri
Lipmanowicz who is chairman of the Institute and came to OZ to find out =
about
Open Space. The mission of the Institute is to discover and foster the
application of principles of self-organization to the real world of =
human
systems, particularly health care systems. Since OZ, Henri and I have =
had a
number of conversations, and I attended a conference they sponsored in =
Austin
TX -- which was most interesting and definitely neither Open Space nor
self-organizing. But one thing is sure, Plexus did manage to attract
substantive folks from multiple disciplines and some useful =
conversations have
started.<br>
<br>
My conversations with Henri will continue, and hopefully move from talk =
to
action. Which brings me to the point (at long last) of this note. What =
sort of
actions, questions, explorations occur to you which might be pursued =
with
Plexus. Henri, Curt (The president) and I will be conversing next week, =
and I
will let you know the outcome -- but if any burning, passionate issues =
or
opportunities jump to your mind -- let me know.<br>
<br>
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>From Mon May 26 09:47:54 2003
Message-Id: <MON.26.MAY.2003.094754.0700.>
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:47:54 -0700
Reply-To: john at theexperiment.info
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: John Engle <john at theexperiment.info>
Subject: Re: Open Space ,Self-Organizing Systems, and The Plexus Institute
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harrison,
thank you for the invitation to share our questions.
the ongoing question for me is this:
why is it that in quite a few cultures, at least those
that i am familiar with, human beings are "wired" or
"programmed" in a way which leads us to gravitate
toward centralizing power in organizations, and for
trying to take responsibility for things totally
divorced from our own behavior?
perhaps i am overlooking the many examples where these
tendencies don't occur. just seems that so often that
this is the case. for example, i could be working with
groups of street boys and older boys insisting that
younger ones work with me while they themselves don't,
or literacy teachers who will invest a full day
discussing what the government should do about
literacy, when there is no evidence to suggest that
their suggestions will even be considered...or, a
group of leaders in an NGO (nongovernmental
organization) who are trying to dictate the services
that unpaid volunteers give to the organization...the
list could go on and on.
my question is, where does this come from and why is
it so difficult for us to see the folly in it? ...at
least folly for the well intentioned people. its
totally understandable that people who want to
dominate and exploit would behave in this manner. but
we all watch, wonderful people with good intentions
(including ourselves) frequently gravitate toward
centralizing power in organizations and trying to take
responsibility for things divorced from our own
behavior. seems that these things clog up a fluid and
life-giving self-organizing process.
john
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>From Mon May 26 10:14:26 2003
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Hi.
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Perhaps we are not so much "wired" as "conditioned" to seek and/or
establish centralized power in organizations.
=20
And perhaps we have such a paucity of current "collective" experience=20
with self-organizing systems within our daily lives, that we don't know
what to choose otherwise.
=20
Stella Humphries directed my attention to an exploration that I believe =
has
profound practicality. Bernard Lietaer has been promoting a key concept
of self-organization -- Sustainability. He has written a book on the
concept.
=20
=20
I offer Stella's gift to this community:
=20
=20
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copies.
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of John =
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Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:48 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: Open Space ,Self-Organizing Systems, and The Plexus =
Institute
harrison,
thank you for the invitation to share our questions.
the ongoing question for me is this:
why is it that in quite a few cultures, at least those
that i am familiar with, human beings are "wired" or
"programmed" in a way which leads us to gravitate
toward centralizing power in organizations, and for
trying to take responsibility for things totally
divorced from our own behavior?
perhaps i am overlooking the many examples where these
tendencies don't occur. just seems that so often that
this is the case. for example, i could be working with
groups of street boys and older boys insisting that
younger ones work with me while they themselves don't,
or literacy teachers who will invest a full day
discussing what the government should do about
literacy, when there is no evidence to suggest that
their suggestions will even be considered...or, a
group of leaders in an NGO (nongovernmental
organization) who are trying to dictate the services
that unpaid volunteers give to the organization...the
list could go on and on.
my question is, where does this come from and why is
it so difficult for us to see the folly in it? ...at
least folly for the well intentioned people. its
totally understandable that people who want to
dominate and exploit would behave in this manner. but
we all watch, wonderful people with good intentions
(including ourselves) frequently gravitate toward
centralizing power in organizations and trying to take
responsibility for things divorced from our own
behavior. seems that these things clog up a fluid and
life-giving self-organizing process.
john
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>In response to John Engle's posting . .=20
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>Perhaps we are not so much "wired" as=20
"conditioned" to seek and/or</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>establish centralized=20
</FONT></EM></STRONG><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>power in=20
organizations.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>And perhaps we have such a paucity of =
current=20
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>with self-organizing systems within our =
daily=20
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>what to choose=20
otherwise.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>Stella Humphries directed my attention =
to an=20
exploration that I believe has</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>profound practicality. Bernard =
Lietaer has=20
been promoting a key concept</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>of self-organization =20
-- Sustainability. He has written a book on the=20
concept.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2>I offer Stella's gift to this=20
community:</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D615430317-22052003><FONT size=3D+0><FONT =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
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Wiser=20
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Bernard Lietaer</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D615430317-22052003>DATE:  =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D615430317-22052003>PUBLISHER: Century =
London,=20
Random House Group Ltd.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D615430317-22052003>ISBN:  =
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0712683992</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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for the=20
invitation to share our questions.<BR>the ongoing question for me is=20
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those<BR>that i am=20
familiar with, human beings are "wired" or<BR>"programmed" in a way =
which leads=20
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for<BR>trying=20
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is the=20
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older=20
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don't,<BR>or literacy teachers who will invest a full day<BR>discussing =
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suggest=20
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leaders in=20
an NGO (nongovernmental<BR>organization) who are trying to dictate the=20
services<BR>that unpaid volunteers give to the =
organization...the<BR>list could=20
go on and on.<BR><BR>my question is, where does this come from and why =
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watch,=20
wonderful people with good intentions<BR>(including ourselves) =
frequently=20
gravitate toward<BR>centralizing power in organizations and trying to=20
take<BR>responsibility for things divorced from our own<BR>behavior. =
seems that=20
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>From Mon May 26 10:44:44 2003
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Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:44:44 -0700
Reply-To: john at theexperiment.info
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From: John Engle <john at theexperiment.info>
Subject: Re: Open Space ,Self-Organizing Systems, and The Plexus Institute
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Mark,
your words make good sense. they make me think of a
multi-generational group discussion in our
neighborhood last week.
we were studying a text translated into haitian creole
from rene descarte's "discourse on the method." the
grandpa (84) in the group remarked that he did not
totally agree with descarte's words regarding how
people generally simply imitate one another, how we
are conditioned to do this and that we lack rigorous
habits of challenging one another's thinking.
"if this is the case, why is it that each generation
brings new changes to society. when i was growing up,
it would have been inconceivable for grown-ups to sit
in a circle with children, like we're doing today,
discussing issues like this. thus, societal change
occurs because people are open to new ideas and to
challenging present thinking."
profound wisdom can emerge even when its not expected,
when we listen.
yes, conditioning is most likely the explanation. and,
the good news is, that even though we are conditioned,
change happens. its just that sometimes it doesn't
happen near as quickly as i want it to. :)
john
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