Fwd: Re: [OSLIST] Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

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Artur,

I do not think it is minor
at least not from the (my) point of view of a consultant for living organizations and their members.

Because the SOLUTION SPACES
which your client will explore
(sometimes on your advise)
will have to be quite different ones
if we are dealing with "things we know of" in the sense of
* "laws of physics"
* "frame-conditions" (contexts of specific situations)
* " (hu)man made laws"
* laws of correct thinking (logics vs. YIN/YANG for ex.)
* individual paradigmas and basic beliefs
* (are there others - I really would like to have a typology of givens at hand!)

in the first two cases we need cause-effect analytical logical thinking
and experts

in the latter cases such approaches will not help at all

Besides that (Artur's) NOW
seems to be more expanded in the first case
(these laws are quite longliving ones)
only applyable as long as the specific situation lasts (in the second case)
lasting for the time of the actual power beeing in charge (in the third case)
lasting for several hundreds of years in the 4th one
changing one or two times in a lifetime in the 5th one


I already commented why we should be quite careful
with the use of physical metaphors
and better not forget about the metaphor export process

So this is an illustrative example

Let us not forget
Mulah Nasrudins significant story
of the drunken guy
who looked for the keys of his house
(fortunately not for his car ;-)
where the light was
not where he had lost them

Bernd

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:41:59 +0000, Artur Ferreira da Silva wrote:
When you refer to gravity as a type of "given" similar to the others,
I wonder if the client will not think that the other "givens" are so
difficult to bypass as gravity. But this is really a minor poin

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