are we there yet? (long)

Sun Feb 16 21:32:13 PST 2003

thanks john! I love this train of thought.

Theodore Roszak wrote a book called Person/Planet years ago. I remember he
devoted much attention to people he called "mystical anarchists" -- among
them Gandhi, Martin Buber, Tolstoy as I recall.

I loved that term, and still do. Speaks to me that the organic emergence of
order always has mystical dimensions - "primacy of Spirit" as HHO puts it.

Jeff

john wrote:
>this leads me to another subject. i am eager to hear perspectives from you
>on this list about this one. assuming that open space principles would
>become norm in how people function and that we don't self-destruct as a
>species, is the natural social order one of anarchism? a state where local
>structures and orders emerge and evolve based on the wishes-passion bound by
>responsibility-of members? i have learned in recent months that there is a
>big difference between anarchy and anarchism. anarchism has order, as i
>understand it. but an order that emerges organically because of the
>responsibility that members have taken to determine their unique order. the
>uniqueness being is that the structure/order fully respects the individual.
>the individual has great liberty and great responsibility.
>
>i will end with sharing the fact that i have found myself saying, when in
>political discussions these days, "i believe i am an anarchist." i watch as
>one regime or party takes control and becomes guilty of the same things that
>they accused their predecessors of. tendencies to seek to dominate over
>others seem to be the spoken or unspoken norm in most cultures. except from
>being liberated from this (obsession with dominating over others and
>concentration of power), is there any hope that we will be able to evolve in
>healthy, life-giving ways for the majority of human kind? and, is liberation
>from desires and tendencies to dominate over others-be it individually, in
>groups, in nations-is this liberation the path to political structures of
>anarchism?

-
Jeff Aitken, PhD cand.
Consultant/facilitator: Organization development, retreats, public gatherings.
Specialist in open space technology and the "world cafe"
1800 Arch Street, Berkeley CA 94709
(+01) 510-849-4932
mailto:ja at svn.net

"Open space is the next step beyond guided facilitation - to set loose the
spirit of the gathered group for the task at hand."
-- Larry Peterson

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This is such an awsome, inspiring action. Gandhi would definitely approve!
I just had to share this with all of you. In peace --BJ Peters<br>
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This is such an awesome, inspiring action. Gandhi would definitely approve!
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