Do we open space or...
Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
76066.515 at compuserve.com
Sun Aug 24 18:33:46 PDT 2003
Julie--
I'm glad one of us knows what I was trying to say! You got it, Julie!
For me the question gets beyond the issue of free will: If we believe we
have an effective SwiftlySwirling SlowlySprialing Source (I love that
phrase! Is it yours, Julie?) then the gift is not just always offered, but
is actually delivered.
So for instance, if a person is a Space Invader or just chooses not to play
with the others in OST, that person still receives the gift of OST. Have
you see this? Am I on the right path?
So where does this inquiry lead us? We won't know till we see what
questions the answers raise....
Thanks for taking this deeper, Julie!
:-Doug. Germann
PS: But my computer doesn't like that SSSSS word--three times the spell
check has locked my computer up over it! (Hence the spaces.) Powerful word,
Julie!
:-Doug.
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>From Sun Aug 24 21:47:28 2003
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oh, what truth...our need for genuine self love... and to see/feel the
absence of such love in our society, in our loved ones, in ourselves can be
so harsh.
birgitt wrote:
I believe in the "love your neighbor as yourself" and that one of the
reasons that we are collectively in such a mess is that we are doing just
that. Cross culturallly we don't love ourselves and indeed the wars that we
see externally are mirrors of the internal. "As above, so below".
to spin off on that statement, i see that sometimes we need a physical
reminder of what things look like on the inside...hence, socially we
experience wars and events like sept. 11... and yet our days are also
filled with beautiful flowers, a smiling face, our own reflection... just
physical reminders pointing out/reflecting the many treasures within
ourselves.
with love,
ashley
> [Original Message]
> From: Birgitt Williams <birgitt at mindspring.com>
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> Date: 8/24/2003 4:25:23 PM
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> Jim,
> I believe in the "love your neighbor as yourself" and that one of the
> reasons that we are collectively in such a mess is that we are doing just
> that. Cross culturallly we don't love ourselves and indeed the wars that
we
> see externally are mirrors of the internal. "As above, so below".
>
> I agree with you that the way to bring about any change is simply to love,
> to be love and to act love. But it must be from a genuine self love to
> really work.
>
> Blessings to you and to all with whom you make Genuine Contact,
> Birgitt
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]On Behalf Of Jim
> Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:10 PM
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>
> Dear Julie and Birgitt,
> Please excuse me for jumping in on your conversation regarding free will,
> accepting and not accepting. Such things are hot topics to me.
> The first thought that came to my mind is from Suzuki, the great teacher
of
> music. He asked his students to memorize certain aphorisms, one of which
is
> "When love is deep, much can be accomplished." That's been especially dear
> to me recently.
> My second thought is that extending a loving acceptance of others, full of
> promises, caring, and invitations, tends to create the reciprocal desire
in
> others to accept and love in their turn. Of course, they can also choose
to
> remain hard-hearted, stuck in their own old ways of dong things. I hope,
> though, that eventually our love will win out, and even such people will
> become open to loving, caring, communicating, i.e. to a genuine open
space.
>
> Love with best wishes,
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Birgitt
> Williams
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: Do we open space or...
>
> Dear Julie,
> Your words are wise about free will and the gift that we can either accept
> or not accept. It seems to be about accepting or turning away from who we
> truly are.
>
> I add one point though to what you say about "OST offering wide open
> accepting space" I add to that my thoughts that it is certainly wide open
> space and that the facilitator provides the best possible "wide open
> accepting energy". However, most OST meetings are within an existing
context
> of an organization of some sort that likely does not have a "wide open
> accepting space". This larger "container" within which the OST meeting is
> done has an effect and indeed may create the conditions in which people do
> not feel that it is accepting or safe.
>
>
> Blessings to you and to all with whom you make Genuine Contact,
> Birgitt
> Birgitt Williams of Dalar International Consultancy
> www.dalarinternational.com <http://www.dalarinternational.com>
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> Phone: 919-522-7750 Fax: 919-870-6599
> As mentors to leaders and organizations we assist you in going beyond what
> has been before. We provide inspirational and practical “how to” guidance
> for leaders who want to achieve healthy and balanced organizations to
> produce exciting, tangible results for the organization and for its
people.
> Our approach is holistic, creating a better future by tapping into ancient
> wisdom.
>
> We believe that Spirit matters and people are precious. We know that
> organizations incorporating these values have exciting, tangible results
> including wealth, prosperity, and abundance. These organizations tend to
> their health and balance on a daily basis.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]On Behalf Of Julie
> Smith
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:12 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Do we open space or...
>
>
> Doug, Birgitt and all ~
>
> Synchronicity strikes again. Two minutes ago I read your exchange over
> Doug's question:
>
> >>>
>
> 2. You said: "mankind has so long turned away and not realized the great
> gift that we can all make use of." Yet I wonder about that and I cannot
> very well put words to my wondering. Is this gift purely potential? Or
> does
> it actualize someplace?
>
> In other words, it is probably an assumed truth in OST circles that in
> each
> group are all the answers and questions that group needs--there is no
> need
> for an outside expert to come in and solve their problems for them. From
> this perhaps our "Whatever happens..." derives. If we then say that the
> Divine gift has been given to all humans, how can we say that some
> people
> have accepted the gift and others have turned away? Even if they turn
> away,
> is not the gift there? Somewhere in the Old Testament, maybe Isaiah,
> there
> is something to the effect that "my words do not return to me empty." If
> the gift is given, it comes back in some form.
>
> The logical answer is your words, "when we work with it intentionally."
> Still, I can't help but think that no matter how loudly the 5 year old
> rejects the parent, the parent still loves the child, still makes the
> gift.
> Agree?
>
> <<<
>
> Not quite an hour ago I was inspired to open the Dhammapada and came
> across what turns out to be a nice response to Doug's question. This
> comes from the introduction to my version of the Dhammapada, written by
> Ram Dass:
>
> "Here are the sayings of the Buddha, the Enlightened One. Had
> you but ears to hear, these very words could awaken you and through them
> you could realize your Buddha nature. These words come to you in
> purity; for them to touch you they must be received in purity. These
> words come out of divine simplicity; to liberate you they must be heard
> in simplicity. These words come from the soul; to feed that in you
> which thirsts, these words, which are words of wisdom, not knowledge,
> must be heard by the soul, not the intellect. For that which feeds only
> the intellect entraps, while that which feeds the soul liberates. And
> it is the soul that thirsts for truth. The intellect thirsts only to
> satiate its fascination.
> A transmission of truth is poured from one vessel into another.
> If you as a vessel are impure in body, heart, or mind, the truth cannot
> be contained... what is pure becomes impure... the power of the truth is
> too much... the cup is smashed... the transmission lost, and man
> continues to walk in darkness. In your lifetime you have read thousands
> of words such as those contained in this volume: the words of the
> Christ, of Lao Tsu, of the Patriarchs of Zen, of Rumi or Kabir or Saint
> Teresa or John, of Solomon and Abraham, of Mohammed, of Krishna or the
> Vedic Rishis... words that bespeak the secrets of the Universe. But how
> few you have received, how many transmissions you have lost again and
> again because you were not ready to hear."
>
> Returning to the heart of your question, Doug: "If we then say that the
> Divine gift has been given to all humans, how can we say that some
> people
> have accepted the gift and others have turned away? Even if they turn
> away,
> is not the gift there?"
>
> I think the answer is yes, the gift is still there, and eternally
> offered by God/Creator/Universe/SwiftlySwirlingSlowlySprialingSource.
> As Children of God, we have free will. We can choose to accept the
> gift, and we can also choose to turn away, to not accept the gift that
> is offered to us.... AND, the fact that we don't accept it in this
> moment doesn't mean it isn't still there, still being offered in each
> unfolding moment. Free will doesn't mean we get to choose what the gift
> is or the means by which it is offered, but free will does mean we get
> to choose when to accept it.
>
> For me, OST simply offers wide open accepting space for people to fill
> with their current understanding of their world. Because the space is
> explicitly wide open and accepting, people have an opportunity to
> explore and work and play in resonance with their true selves, to
> whatever extent they are willing and able, meaning they will get as far
> and go as deep as they are ready for. Since they're deciding, they'll go
> just the right distance for them in the moment they're in. OST raises no
> internal or external barriers to our true selves and therefore does no
> harm and wastes no time. That's why it's so good.
>
> Julie
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