AW: The Oral - Visual lives next door

Malay Biswas malay.biswas at tajhotels.com
Sat Sep 21 08:19:00 PDT 2002


dear Michael,
Wish you a wonderful morning!
Very very interesting posting and a great learning for me.
Weeks back when i raised about story type drafting for capturing and
imortalisation of spirited dialogues (within linguistic framework), i never
had dare to imagine for expressing/caturing the rainbow colour of our spirit
through dance, visual and other processes. Very interesting ideas have
flowed since then.
If we go a little bit of three thousands year back of our indian philospopy,
most of the indian scriputres like Vedas were remembered and passed over
next generation just by listening and memorising - that is why other name of
veda is shruti(Sanskrit word) - word still does posses have tremendous power
to pass on. In India and certain part of pakistan, Urdu speaking people
still loves to share "sher" - a small poem with two to few lines and carries
wonderful meaning -it require  unique taste bud to appreciate linguistic
craftmanship. No No - I am not praising about capturing the spirit through
only words - who will deny the expression of rainbow colour of our spirit.
But rainbow is there in the sky only when the drizzling rain is over - never
stays longer - how to capture it for others.
It is wonderful everning here and time for dinner, Mr. Michael.
With warm regards
Malay
India

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Herman" <mherman at globalchicago.net>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: AW: The Oral - Visual lives next door


> hi all...
>
> woke up this bright, cool sunny morning here in chicago thinking about
this
> oral, visual conversation thread... and remembering my friend who's just
> starting to write a dissertation on taste, smell and touch... and the
> personal/social implications of making those 'intimate' senses primary to
the
> 'distal' senses of seeing and hearing.  his language is peppered with
bites,
> tastes, flavors, yums, yuks, smellies and other whiffs.
>
> it occurs to me that in this recent imagine chicago conference, we had the
> computers and the wiki, but also painting for all, and drums and such, a
day on
> storytelling and place... and while we had fairly standard (but tasty)
> box-sorts of lunches, we also had a gala benefit dinner with dancing on
the
> first of five nights together and finished on the last night with a big
dinner
> and cookout at the sponsor's home.
>
> i'm also noticing being in a bit of a lull in terms of getting things
processed
> around here after being gone for most of the last five weeks.  was finding
it
> hard to hunker down and chew through the necessary informatino processing
> post-travels and post-conference.  while i've been eating healthy whole
organic
> sorts of foods as my habit, it seems that a couple of more 'processed'
subway
> (franchise restaurant) sandwiches seems to have helped kick me into gear.
we
> are what we eat?  ...and so what if we could eat what we are, or what our
work
> together is?
>
> so what if we forget the computer room or move it over to make room for
the
> conference kitchen?  the dance floor (not so uncommon) and other tasty,
smelly,
> touchy processing places?  we do some of this already, of course.  but
what if
> the evening meal *was* the proceedings and we all were able to take it
fully
> into our beings?  would not the proceedings necessarily turn into
becomings?
>
> and now i do believe it's time for breakfast.
>
> m
>
>
>
> Visuelle Protokolle wrote:
>
> > Bernd, Chris and all:
> >
> > Bernd, you touched me like so many others with your description of your
> > work, of your tasks. and Chris, you have to give so many astonishing
> > insights. you say:
> >
> >   It seems to me anyway, that writing,
> > >talking and sensing are all communication strategies, and while
> > >certain cultural contexts will select some strategies over others,
> > >all strategies are available to everyone
> > >
> >  "there" .... is a message
> > >that is transmitted orally, although the reminders are all visual
> > >and kinesthetic: dances, masks, carvings, and so on.  All of these
> > >things "carry" the story with them.
> > >
> > >
> >  Low context cultures, in my opinion, tend to be less
> > >comfortable with the limited information that sometimes comes out of
> > >Open Space small groups, where people have been too engaged in the
> > >process of conversation to write down much of what was said.  ...
reading
> > the reports in no way helps to
> > >explain ... why it was such a high ...
> >
> > When we get touched by descriptions of the life in oral/visual cultures,
we
> > can look at the strange qualities of these cultures like in a
prehistoric
> > museum  and go home afterwards. go on living as usual, going to Open
Space
> > and writing texts as usual, with very limited information - and poor
> > touching quality.
> >
> > Or we can realize, that the oral - visual type actually lives next door,
or
> > even lives in us.
> >
> > For me it was always hard to understand how such a brilliant thing like
Open
> > Space is normally documented in the most traditional and poor way, by
> > writing texts. and even worse, because like Chris points out, Open Space
has
> > all the potential of engaging people. when it was "such a high", and
then
> > some poor guys have to stay and make their homework and write something,
> > produce more of the same, texts.
> >
> > I talked to Harrison Owen about that some years ago in an Open Sapace at
the
> > lake of Starnberg in Bavaria, but seemed not to get his attention.
> >
> > We accompanied about ten Open Spaces and made visual protocols. mainly
> > pictures, some words, no long texts. Everybody was happy. Sometimes
people
> > made their written reports as well, sometimes not. But what counted was
the
> > pictures. People loved to find their contributions as pictures. And were
> > astonished to "get the whole picture" at the end (and even in brochure
form
> > a bit later), to really see what had happened in all the groups. We made
the
> > astonishing experience, that is was sufficient to visit every group just
for
> > about ten minutes to catch the story. we asked people to look
critically,
> > but seldomly were asked to correct or add something. once a consultant
said:
> > only by your pictures I understood what happened. I know that I am good,
and
> > would have brought in my view of the theme and would have gone home
proudly.
> > By your pictures I suddenly realized the quality of the contributions of
the
> > others, and how we enriched each other and together reached to a higher
> > level!
> >
> > There we are! even in a low context culture we can reach  experiences of
> > inner satisfaction, joy, understanding, just by awakening the
oral-visual,
> > sometimes visional guy in us. it is easy, it is fun, it goes deep, it is
> > sustainable. which method could gain more from this fact than Poen
Space!
> >
> > I believe that the Open Space method simply was not fully developed yet.
> > maybe that is a sacrilege, but once I found the oral (Open Space) visual
> > (Visual Facilitaion) combination to work so well, to work inside of us,
> > mostly all of us, why be satisfied with less?
> >
> > Reinhard
> >
> > VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE
> > Kuchenmueller & Dr. Stifel
> >
> > Munich Germany
> >
> > Tel: +49-89-202 447 48
> >
> > http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de
> >
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