Training Rotaracts of West Siberia

[Pannwitz, Michael M]

Dear Elena,
here is how I think on reading your account:
-What was the theme for the open space and who opened it?
-Result orientation has also a dark side, I recollect many horrors
wraught by result orientation of individuals, groups and nations
-Result orientation is fine when participants are oriented that way,
if I as the facilitator have that orientation, this orientation
distracts me mightily from holding space and time (attachment to
outcome)
-you called the event a "training" ?
-what is a successful os-test? Why do you congratulate people on
successful work?
-why did you decide to play with them in the evening? How did that
fit in the open space?
-what happens when you lead people to result thinking?
-I had to smile at your line "our people and children are not
thinking in terms of ..." (my experience with children is so much
different)
-people who want to party are motivated!

Hugs and greetings from Berlin (when will you come this way again?)
michael

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:07:48 +0700, Elena A. Marchuk wrote:

>OK, dear folks,
>
>I'm back from the one more training with Rotaracts of West Siberia, which
>was held in the city Kemerovo, last weekend,
>they were also about 40 as on the Olkhon Island on the Baikal lake, but from
>4 cities: Novosibirsk, Tomsk, Kemerovo and Barnaul, but... half of them came
>just to see each other and were happy to seat somewhere and have some drinks
>and talks and about a half came next morning to the OST meeting.
>
>well, whoever comes are the right people,
>
>and they started with 16 questions, which we posted for the 4 sessions, ...
>3 - before lunch, and 1 after but as the questions were 'a sort of a close'
>, like "how we can make our club more effective?", "how to envolve new
>members?" , how can a new member 'realize' her/him self in a club, and so
>on, the reglaments and shedules, whether they should 'punish' people if the
>come not often... and so on...
>... they a sort of died up to the end
>
>and as I said the OS test was successfully passed by 10 people, who made 13
>reports and we made them in book of proceeding EVEN, so after dinner we
>congratulate them with the successful work and results.... but there were no
>projects so we decided that we will 'play' with them a little in the
>evening - there were about 15-20 people while doing an exercise on
>'consensus' in organization (Rotaract) and decided with my collegue, that we
>will 'work' with them on projects, next morning. so there were again about
>12-15 people (they moved around and go away and then come, joining some
>groups), but there were 4 projects worked on and the trainer promissed to
>send them to me and we both would watch the results of each other training
>in future,
>
>so (that was my previous experience with the group of the Open World
>Program) and the same here, that our people and children are not thinking in
>terms of goals and budgets and projects, just in the type of Chernishevsky
>Question "What to do?" but the problem is that russians are closer to the
>eastern way of thinking - the orientation on the process, not on the
>result... so it was the same again... we need to 'lead' our people to
>'result-thinking'
>
>so, yes, what ever happens, happens, but What to do?
>
>The people who were on Olkhon said, that it was much better, when
>concentrated, only 2 hours gave them best results.
>
>I don't think it is exactly so, as there were more motivated people, and
>here was half of the group 'having party' so some people thought: "why I
>should 'work?", though not all , as I saw, but without more exprienced
>people, no practice, they could not go to the project orientation..
>
>how do you think?
>
>OK
>best wishes to all
>
>elena marchuk
>novosibirsk, russia
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." <76066.515 at compuserve.com>
>To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:38 AM
>Subject: What are the unstated assumptions and aims of OS?
>
>
>> Eiwor--
>>
>>  << So you might as well go on our principles, whatever happens is the
>only
>>  << thing that could happen. When I did this I was very clear to the
>> sponsor
>>  << about that we don't really know how many are coming next time, but we
>> can
>>  << be sure that those who come are the right people.
>>
>> This is beautiful and an excellent way to handle it. Thanks, Eiwor!
>>
>>                               :-Doug.
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