A Partial Diary of the Collective Buddha
Toni Petrinovich
sacred at anacortes.net
Tue May 7 12:50:52 PDT 2002
Yes, they are and in my frame of reference they are doing the best they know
how to do given the circumstances of their faiths/belief
systems/conditioning.
Toni
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From: "Artur Ferreira da Silva" <artsilva at mail.eunet.pt>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: A Partial Diary of the Collective Buddha
> At 08:29 07-05-2002 -0800, Julie Smith wrote:
>
> >I don't know what "non-manicheist Christian" means. I guess I have
> >something new to learn today.
>
> In Manicheanism the world is divided in good and bad or even in good and
> evil - god and evil persons, good and evil peoples, good and evil nations,
> etc. The ones that don't think like me or don't practice my faith
> are...evil. The other characteristic is that the "goods" are good in
> everything (even when they do evil things, like bombing the others
> countries) and the "bads" are bad in everything (even when they do or say
> good things).
>
> In "manicheist Christianity" the other (evil) can be, depending on the
> moment, people from Islam, the atheists, the Judaists, the communists,
etc.
>
> The French epistemologist Bachelard wrote many years ago that science
> needed to be "psycanalyzed", in the sense that many scientific concepts
> (like work, power, etc) were still anthropomorphic and pre-scientific.
(no,
> Bachelard was NOT a marxist, neither a freudian - that would make him evil
> to many manic heists...).
>
> Similarly I think that the acts of many "people of faith" should be
> "psycanalysed" in the same sense - we would discover that a lot of evil is
> normally covert by "faith" and "love" (and I have not wrote "men of faith"
> to avoid that you could think that I was referring only to American
> Catholic priests and bishops...).
>
> In your answer, dear Julie, there was something that confused me - your
> endorsement of the phrase "Divine Operating Plan". Believe me: only in
> capitalist America could such phrase have been invented...
>
> (Maybe the problem of the world, assuming that a God exists or ever
existed
> - which I doubt - is that the "Divine Strategic Plan" (which was good) has
> been transformed in a bad "Tactic Plan" and in a worst "Operating Plan" by
> Himself or by man and women that honestly thought (and still think) they
> are following His plan.
>
> Being a convicted atheist, that once had a strong Christian education,
> there is something I would like to say to politics everywhere and to many
> other people, including in this list - please, when you want to talk about
> Him, please consider thoroughly if you are not using His name in vain.
>
> That's why I prefer to ear about the Taoist tradition or even the Buddhist
> tradition - no God is present in the words that may or not be present in
> the actions. After all, Sharon and Bush are men of faith, aren't they?
> Aren't they?
>
> Abracos
>
> Artur
>
> PS: it's interesting that your adress is @mosquitonet. Do you know waht is
> a "mosquito" in Portuguese?
>
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>From Tue May 7 15:18:11 2002
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:18:11 -0700
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From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: OST as a conference track
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Eddie, you wrote of OS at the UK International Association of Facilitators
conference last year and Elena, you shared the story of our doing an OS at
the IAF conference in the US last year.
I’d like to add that in this year’s (actually, later this month) IAF
conference in the US, I will be holding an Open Space on the last day of the
conference. Someone proposed this in our last-year’s workshop – have an
Open Space as the final day of the conference to help people learn anything
else they need to from each other, to enrich their networks, and to reflect
on what they’ve learned.
Well, the conference itself decided to do an Open Space-like gathering for a
few hours on last official day, and my workshop will be on what is described
as a *post*-conference day (after that). With the current economy being
what it is, many people decided not to come this year and a good number of
them are flying home before my workshop day. Maybe it will work, maybe it
won’t. Hey, whatever happens. Maybe I’ll let you know of the successes of
a really tiny Open Space, as for now only two participants have signed up!
But it’s another experiment in how OS can serve a not-totally-OS conference.
And hey, if you know of anyone coming to Texas for this particular
conference, tell them to drop in and join our OS on May 27th!
Lisa
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L i s a H e f t
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Open Space Technology and Experiential Learning
2325 Oregon
Berkeley, California
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Eddie, you
wrote of OS at the UK International Association of Facilitators conference last
year and Elena, you shared the story of our doing an OS at the IAF conference in
the US last year.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’d like
to add that in this year’s (actually, later this month) IAF conference in the
US, I will be holding an Open Space on the last day of the conference.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Someone proposed this in our last-year’s
workshop – have an Open Space as the final day of the conference to help people
learn anything else they need to from each other, to enrich their networks, and
to reflect on what they’ve learned.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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last official day, and my workshop will be on what is described as a *<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>post</span></b>*-conference day (after that).<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>With the current economy being what it
is, many people decided not to come this year and a good number of them are
flying home before my workshop day.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>Maybe it will work, maybe it won’t.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>Hey, whatever happens.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>Maybe I’ll let you know of the successes of a really tiny Open Space, as
for now only two participants have signed up!<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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to drop in and join our OS on May 27<sup>th</sup>!<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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