What is the message of OST?

[Winston Kinch]

Hallo Douglas and all. That post ought to get something going!

My own sense is that you may be talking at two different levels (or maybe
"quadrants" - apologies to KW) at the same time here: one of process and
one of proceeds.

I believe the "orthodoxy" as you call it (not getting involved) refers to
proceeds (L/R) - the carrying out, content and outcomes of the
discussions/work.

I agree that we are de facto involved in the process (we initiate it) and I
agree passionately that yes, we are each "touched and changed by the moment
of interchange" (what a beautiful phrase!), but I think it is at subtler
levels (U/L), and as a result of experiencing real community and
self-organizating behaviour, consciously, in a safe environment.

As to "struggling with what it means to hold the space" I must demur. I
agree it is hard to put it in words, but I think "holding space" is the
maintenance, by whatever means, of the "environment" we help to create when
we perform the other orthodoxies to which Martin refers in his response:
opening , news, closing circles etc.  IMO, "how" we do (or don't do) that
is more often the subject of many of the discussions and anecdotes on the
list...

Winston

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