How are Bush, Mandela, Bin Laden just likethe rest of us?

[Julie Hotard]

Hi, Simon

Your e-mail made me think of this research study
below, when you mentioned loving Bush etc., and
loving apprehensive people.  Someone sent it to
me a couple of months ago.  From the Association
for the Study of Dreams.

Julie

Republicans Nearly Three Times As Likely As Democrats To Have Nightmares,
Says Researcher
International dream conference returns to UC Santa Cruz, July 10-15

SANTA CRUZ, CA - July 9 - The voting booth is not the only place
differences emerge between Republicans and Democrats, according to a
researcher who has found that Republicans are nearly three times as
likely as Democrats to experience nightmares when they dream.

Not only is the frequency of nightmares much higher among
Republicans, but the content is different, too: The nightmares of
Republicans tend to be characterized by more aggression, misfortune,
and physical threats to family and friends, while Democrats'
nightmares are moderated by familiar settings, familiar characters,
and more elements of hope, power, and positive action, said Kelly
Bulkeley, a dream researcher who will present his findings during the
18th Annual International Conference of the Association for the Study
of Dreams, which takes place July 10-15 at the University of
California, Santa Cruz.

"Half of the dreams of Republicans in my study were classified as
nightmares, compared to only about 18 percent of the dreams of
Democrats," said Bulkeley. "My speculation is that people on the
right are very attuned to the dangers in the world, and they're
seeking ways to defend themselves against those threats. They're
drawn to a political ideology that favors things like a strong
military and traditional moral values. People on the left tend to be more
utopian and open to the possibility of going beyond the way things are now
to how things could be made better."

Bulkeley's presentation will take place on Wednesday, July 11, in
Porter College, Room 148, from 9:15 to 10:45 a.m. It is one of more
than 100 events being featured during the conference, including
presentations by the world's foremost dream researchers, authors, and
clinicians. Workshops and seminars will feature psychological,
medical, artistic, anthropological, spiritual, and cinematic
perspectives on dreaming. A weekend symposium July 14-15 will focus
on "Nightmares and the Life Cycle: Psychological and Biological
Perspectives." The complete schedule of events is on the web at
http://www.asdreams.org. Some highlights follow:

* During a symposium on "Dreams, Illness, Facing Death, and
Grieving," Tallulah Lyons will discuss her work with a long-term dream group
of cancer survivors who have been using visualization and nightmare images
in treatment and recovery; transformed images
correlate with biochemical changes in the direction of healing.

* Research sessions will focus on new directions in dream research,
featuring presentations on the differences between men's and women's
dreams and the use of dreams in problem solving; accuracy of dream
recall; and a session about the experiences of trauma survivors in
dream groups, including brain-trauma survivors, the homeless, war veterans,
and AIDS dementia patients.

* G. William Domhoff, research professor of psychology and sociology
at UC Santa Cruz and a leading dream scholar, will present a workshop
on advanced methods for the scientific study of long dream journals.
The author of Finding Meaning in Dreams: A Quantitative Approach,
Domhoff is a major advocate of the use of a sophisticated new content
analysis method to study the nature and meaning of dreams. His
research is described on the World Wide Web at
http://psych.ucsc.edu/dreams/.

* Another session will feature comparative interpretations of a dream
series with panelists representing different schools of dream
interpretation. Panelists include Domhoff (above) and Veronica Tonay,
a lecturer in psychology at UCSC and the author of The Creative
Dreamer.

* Robert Bosnak will lead a three-part session on dreamwork
techniques that are used with patients suffering from severe physical
illness, in psychotherapy, and by actors, visual artists, and writers
to enhance their work.

* Researcher Stanley Krippner will present a paper on exotic dreams,
the content of which is purportedly telepathic, clairvoyant,
creative, lucid, out of body, or referring to past-life experiences.
Based on 1,666 dream reports gathered in Argentina, Brazil, Japan,
Russia, Ukraine, and the United States, Krippner's study found that
Russian reports contained more exotic elements than those from other
countries.

* Expressive arts workshops and a conferencewide art exhibit of
dream-inspired artwork.

* A panel discussion by six long-term keepers of dream journals who
will discuss their own approaches and explore techniques, benefits,
and the research value of the personal dream journal.

* Screening of the Emmy-winning HBO movie Goodnight Moon and Other
Sleepy Time Tales, featuring children talking about dreams and
narration by Billy Crystal and Susan Sarandon.

The Association for the Study of Dreams is an international
organization dedicated to the investigation of dreams. Members
represent a variety of dream-related activities, including academic
research, clinical practice, and individual study. For conference fee
information, please visit the association's web site at
http://www.asdreams.org.

Note to Journalists: Kelly Bulkeley will be available to speak with
reporters immediately after his presentation on July 11. Reporters
are welcome to cover presentations, but media access to workshops
will be determined by workshop leaders. A pressroom will be available
during the conference in the College Eight Cafe. Media inquiries only
should be directed to Jennifer McNulty in the UCSC Public Information
Office at (831) 459-2495. The conference is open to the public on a
space-available basis; full fee information is available on the web.









----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Nash" <simon.nash at talk21.com>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: Apologiy/ How to use resources; How is Bin Laden just likethe
rest of us?


> Thank you Julie and Chris.
>
> I have greatly enjoyed and benefited from the fact that you have shared
this
> conversation in this open space. Three things have particularly been
useful
> for me.
>
> Firstly the warmth and care with which you conversed - I'm trying to get
my
> head around something a very inspirational teacher said to me last week
> about love being a mix of acceptance and challenge (or was it acceptance
and
> allowing) - your words to each other (as have many other threads on this
> listserv) have had a deep impact for me at a level other than the content.
>
> Content-wise: Julie's first question "How is Bin Laden just like the rest
of
> us?" has provoked a rich theme for meditation for me - especially seeing
his
> face across the front page of the UK's Times Newspaper (it was an
Associated
> Press photo by Zia Mazhar so I guess its getting global coverage). I
don't'
> know what others saw in the photo - and the question, but I saw a man, not
> much older than me I suppose, looking with a mixture of apprehension and
> passion. His skin tone, eye colour, facial hair, head dress, are all
> (probably) just the same as the Galilean peasant in whose name Bush
> pronounced his twenty-first century crusade. (what is the difference
between
> a crusade and a jihad anyway - perhaps there is one?).
>
> I also have a picture of George W. from one of last weeks newspapers - I
> need to remember he is a frightened and passionate man too.
>
> Its so easy to be less than loving and therefore less than human in my
> relationship to these two human beings but how can I expect them to be
human
> to each other if I cannot love them both.
>
> Julie; your question opened up some significant ways to growth in this
area.
>
> Lastly for now, Chris's observation that "Nelson Mandela and Louis Riel
and
> Rigoberta Menchu and Ang San Suu Kyi" are just like the rest of us was a
> useful reminder that just as demonising Bin Laden or Bush has a
dehumanising
> effect on us, so also the elevation of these good people and others to a
> level beyond our own human reach also has a dehumanising effect. If we
> believe ourselves incapable of their acts and lives of mercy, love,
> forgiveness, courage, bravery, challenge, justice etc. then we make it so
> for ourselves.
>
> Anyway - thanks for inspiring me to make a first posting to your list - I
> hope I have been congruent with the local conventions and that you'll
> patiently correct me as a novice to this community.
>
> Peace,
> Simon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]On Behalf Of Chris
> Corrigan
> Sent: 19 September 2001 08:18
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Apologiy/ How to use resources; How is Bin Laden just
> likethe rest of us?
>
>
> Julie:
>
> No need to apologize...I think I was trying to support your point.  Funny
> that it didn't come across that way.
>
> All I'm saying is that most of us in the world, if we have nothing else at
> least have this: functioning bodies, nimble minds, bright spirits and 24
> hours in a day.  That was all folks like Nelson Mandela and Louis Riel and
> Rigoberta Menchu and Ang San Suu Kyi had to their names.  And look what
they
> did.
>
> I'm a big believer in just doing what you can.  Feeding one person takes
> less than an hour.  You prepare a meal and you give it away.  Done.  No
> government is going to make life that simple :-)
>
> One time, I was doing a community consultation in Prince Rupert, on the
> northwest caost of Canada.  We were fed by an Elders group, who insisted
> that we eat first.  Where I come from, in Ojibway country in Ontario, it
is
> customary for the young men to feed the Elders first, so I was a little
> uncomfortable.  But in Rupert, the Elders would not eat until we had our
> food.  One Nisga'a woman explained to me that the young men must eat first
> so they can be strong enough to look after the older ones.
>
> In other words, you can only be useful if you are strong.  To me that was
a
> great lesson about burning out, and about doing as much as you can while
> still staying healthy, lithe and spirited.
>
> So, apology not accepted....it wasn't necessary.
>
> :-)
>
> Peace back to you,
>
> Chris
>
> Julie Hotard wrote:
>
> > Hi, Chris
> >
> > I am so sorry if my previous communication
> > sounded like I was saying that poorer people
> > have nothing to offer.  I certaninly don't believe
> > that.  Some of the poorest and most disabled
> > folks I have personally worked with are
> > an inspiration to me.
> >
> > The choices that you mention about how to use
> > resources are personally a struggle for me--
> > choices about how to spend my energy,  money,
> > time, and spirit.  I did some very meaningful work
> > that seemed quite useful and helpful to people in great
> > need for around 15 years.  But then I felt very burnt out.
> > It was a great relief to take a break and do more superficial
> > and less meaningful seeming work.
> >
> > With my money I am aware that my government
> > here in the U.S. takes tons of it yearly in income
> > taxes-- enough to feed tons of people during the
> > next year-- but then uses that money mostly to do
> > other things, most of which I personally do not want
> > done.
> >
> > With my after-tax income I also have difficult
> > decisions.  I have contributed hundreds of dollars
> > to the Red Cross recently.  Was it enough?  Was it
> > too much?  Should some of that have gone to my
> > niece's college tuition fund?  How responsible
> > should I feel financially, political activism-wise
> > etc. for multiple sufferings going on in multiple
> > areas of the globe?  It could easily get
> > overwhelming, even to try to keep track of it all,
> > much less contribute.  Should priority go to
> > the folks whose lives my own government,
> > against my will, has made worse?
> >
> > I hope I have not created ill feelings between us.
> > If I have, I am sincerely sorry about that.  This is
> > a difficult time for many of us in North America
> > and in the world all over, and emotions are running
> > intensely.  I do not want to send even a tiny drop of
> > pain toward anyone, least of toward someone making
> > such a major contribution to the world by working with
> > the populations you work with.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Corrigan" <corcom at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA>
> > To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: How is Bin Laden just like the rest of us?
> >
> > > I work with some of the poorest people in Canada.  People suffering
> > > mental illness, AIDS, physical disabilities, racism, hunger and
> > > illiteracy.  Some of them give more of themselves to their communities
> > > than is even conceivable by "richer" people.
> > >
> > > We all have different amounts of money, but we are all equally rich in
> > > spirit.  People make choices about how to spend both.
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
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