may we listen, live and grow
Jeff Aitken
ja at svn.net
Sun Sep 16 23:05:04 PDT 2001
In the Jewish tradition, the new moon of Rosh Hashanah begins tomorrow.
During OSONOS I sounded the shofar to greet the previous new moon of Final
Planting. I wish to hold all the children of Avraham in my heart as I
forward this story. --Jeff
from Marshall Rosenberg's book, Nonviolent Communication (forwarded by Tom
Atlee)
"Murderer!", "Assassin", "Child-killer!", "Murderer!"
I [Marshall Rosenberg] was presenting Nonviolent Communication in a mosque
at Deheisha Refugee Camp in Bethlehem to about 170 Palestinian Moslem men.
Attitudes toward Americans at that time were not favorable. As I was
speaking, I suddenly noticed a wave of muffled commotion fluttering through
the audience. "They're whispering that you are American!" my translator
alerted me, just as a gentleman in the audience leapt to his feet. Facing
me squarely, he hollered at the top of his lungs, "Murderer!" Immediately a
dozen other voices joined him in chorus: "Assassin!" "Child-killer!"
"Murderer!"
Fortunately, I was able to focus my attention on what the man was feeling
and needing. In this case, I had some cues. On the way into the refugee
camp, I had seen several empty tear gas canisters that had been shot into
the camp the night before. Clearly marked on each canister were the words
"Made in U.S.A." I knew that the refugees harbored a lot of anger toward
the U.S. for supplying tear gas and other weapons to Israel.
I addressed the man who had called me a murderer:
I: Are you angry because you would like my government to use its
resources differently? (I didn't know whether my guess was correct, but
what is critical is my sincere effort to connect with his feeling and need.)
He: Damn right I'm angry! You think we need tear gas? We need
sewers, not your tear gas! We need housing! We need to have our own country!
I: So you're furious and would appreciate some support in improving
your living conditions and gaining political independence?
He: Do you know what it's like to live here for twenty-seven years
the way I have with my family-children and all? Have you got the faintest
idea what that's been like for us?
I: Sounds like you're feeling very desperate and you're wondering
whether I or anybody else can really understand what it's like to be living
under these conditions.
He: You want to understand? Tell me, do you have children? Do they
go to school? Do they have playgrounds? My son is sick! He plays in open
sewage! His classroom has no books! Have you seen a school that has no
books?
I: I hear how painful it is for you to raise your children here;
you'd like me to know that what you want is what all parents want for their
children-a good education, opportunity to play and grow in a healthy
environment...
He: That's right, the basics! Human rights-isn't that what you
Americans call it? ** Why don't more of you come here and see what kind of
human rights you're bringing here! **
I: You'd like more Americans to be aware of the enormity of the
suffering here and to look more deeply at the consequences of our political
actions?
Our dialogue continued, with him expressing his pain for nearly twenty
more minutes, and I listening for the feeling and need behind each
statement. I didn't agree or disagree. I received his words, not as
attacks, but as gifts from a fellow human willing to share his soul and
deep vulnerabilities with me.
Once the gentleman felt understood, he was able to hear me as I
explained my purpose for being at the camp [to give a training in
Nonviolent Communication]. An hour later, the same man who had called me a
murderer was inviting me to his home for a Ramadan dinner.
(Center for Nonviolent Communication: www.cnvc.org)
May we listen, live and grow
*
*
==========================================================
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
------------------------------
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,
view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu,
Visit:
http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>From Mon Sep 17 11:29:51 2001
Message-Id: <MON.17.SEP.2001.112951.0200.>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:29:51 +0200
Reply-To: florianfischer at ff-wey.com
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: florian fischer <florianfischer at ff-wey.com>
Subject: Re: the American way: We can solve anything
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="------------B101DB505E9284735990EDA7"
--------------B101DB505E9284735990EDA7
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
relating to solving problems let me quote
what had become a flag of my thinking and working:
Any problem, big or little
requires a great humility -
to let it tell you what it wants.
rather than your telling the problem
how it should be resolved.
it will develop from its own inner concept
which must be listened to and understood.
(friedrich kiesler, 1960)
its not for us to solve problems
its for us to serve the solution of problems.
florian
florian fischer
begleitung im wandel
münchener 6
10779 berlin
fon 0049.30. 2116752
fax 0049.30. 2115943
florianfischer at ff-wey.com
Julie Hotard schrieb:
> Maybe this can become a world belief, not an American one, that we can
> solve any problem. There's no reason why you folks from other nations
> really need to come over here to the U.S. in order to solve supposedly
> "insolvable" problems, unless you just want to. Regardless of where
> in the world we live, we can all work together on world problems.
> Julie
>
>
>
--------------B101DB505E9284735990EDA7
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
relating to solving problems let me quote
<br>what had become a flag of my thinking and working:
<p>Any problem, big or little
<br>requires a great humility -
<br>to let it tell you what it wants.
<br>rather than your telling the problem
<br>how it should be resolved.
<br>it will develop from its own inner concept
<br>which must be listened to and understood.
<br>(friedrich kiesler, 1960)
<p>its not for us to solve problems
<br>its for us to serve the solution of problems.
<br>florian
<br>
<p>florian fischer
<br>begleitung im wandel
<br>münchener 6
<br>10779 berlin
<br>fon 0049.30. 2116752
<br>fax 0049.30. 2115943
<br>florianfischer at ff-wey.com
<br>
<p>Julie Hotard schrieb:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Maybe this can become
a world belief, not an American one, that we can solve any problem.
There's no reason why you folks from other nations really need to come
over here to the U.S. in order to solve supposedly "insolvable" problems,
unless you just want to. Regardless of where in the world we live,
we can all work together on world problems.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Julie</font></font>
<blockquote
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> </blockquote>
</blockquote>
</body>
</html>
--------------B101DB505E9284735990EDA7--
*
*
==========================================================
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
------------------------------
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,
view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu,
Visit:
http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>From Mon Sep 17 11:47:54 2001
Message-Id: <MON.17.SEP.2001.114754.0200.>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:47:54 +0200
Reply-To: florianfischer at ff-wey.com
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: florian fischer <florianfischer at ff-wey.com>
Subject: Re: the American way: We can solve anything
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="------------4A47DA6772303744AA26F4B2"
--------------4A47DA6772303744AA26F4B2
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Julie Hotard schrieb:
> ...... Many people here had gotten so
> insulated and isolated-- that we thought, until last Tuesday, that we were
> magically safe from many of the kinds of pain that the rest of the world
> experiences. Time to wake up.
> Julie
>
>
>
> ----- may i add:
> .... time to wake up, realizing that we, the us, are deeply involved
> as well as bad as offenders on the pain that the rest of the world
> experiences.
> and may i ask: who is the rest of the world ?
> we, the us, are as well as bad a rest of the world.
> there is no resting-place at all.
>
> florian
begleitung im wandel
münchener 6
10779 berlin
fon 0049.30. 2116752
fax 0049.30. 2115943
florianfischer at ff-wey.com
>
>
>
>
--------------4A47DA6772303744AA26F4B2
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
<p>Julie Hotard schrieb:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>...... Many people here had gotten so
<br>insulated and isolated-- that we thought, until last Tuesday, that
we were
<br>magically safe from many of the <b>kinds of pain that the rest of the
world</b>
<br><b>experiences.</b> Time to wake up.
<br>Julie
<p><br>
<br>
----- may i add:
<br>.... time to wake up, realizing that we, the us, are deeply involved
<br>as well as bad as offenders on the pain that the rest of the
world
<br>experiences.
<br>and may i ask: who is the rest of the world ?
<br>we, the us, are as well as bad a rest of the world.
<br>there is no resting-place at all.
<p>florian</blockquote>
begleitung im wandel
<br>münchener 6
<br>10779 berlin
<br>fon 0049.30. 2116752
<br>fax 0049.30. 2115943
<br>florianfischer at ff-wey.com
<br>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>
<br>
<br>
<br> </blockquote>
</html>
--------------4A47DA6772303744AA26F4B2--
*
*
==========================================================
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
------------------------------
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,
view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu,
Visit:
http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>From Mon Sep 17 12:23:06 2001
Message-Id: <MON.17.SEP.2001.122306.0200.>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:23:06 +0200
Reply-To: florianfischer at ff-wey.com
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: florian fischer <florianfischer at ff-wey.com>
Subject: [Fwd: FW: Roger Ebert: A Green Field]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AA5F295925D67272552570A5"
Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format.
--------------AA5F295925D67272552570A5
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
i friend of mine sent this.
florian
--------------AA5F295925D67272552570A5
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Disposition: inline
Return-Path: <sieben.tanz at imails.de>
Received: from mx2.fairnetworx.de (mail.imails.de [212.91.239.5])
by solution4.hsd.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27134
for <florianfischer at ff-wey.com>; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:15:53 +0200
Received: from [212.91.239.236] (212.91.239.236)
by mx2.fairnetworx.de with MERCUR Mailserver (v4.01.00 MTI1LTIxNzgtNjE1NQ==)
for <florianfischer at ff-wey.com>; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:16:24 +0200
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:47:44 +0200
Subject: FW: Roger Ebert: A Green Field
From: "irene sieben" <sieben.tanz at imails.de>
To: florianfischer at ff-wey.com
Mime-version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3
Content-type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3083395664_70521_MIME_Part"
Message-Id: <010916221624172600 at mx2.fairnetworx.de>
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
> DIESE NACHRICHT IST IN MIME-FORMAT. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht
unterst tzt, k nnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein.
--MS_Mac_OE_3083395664_70521_MIME_Part
Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Herzliche Gr=FC=DFe von
Irene sieben
----------
Von: "Mariana Blum Versiglia" <blumver at ciudad.com.ar>
An: "R Elena Blum" <Relenablum at msn.com>, "Adriana Stadecker"
<astadecker at earthlink.net>, "Alicia Trigubo" <atrigubo at mail.retina.ar>,
"byron gifford" <Bygif at aol.com>, "Debbie Spitz" <debspitz at mediaone.net>,
"Irene Sieben" <sieben.tanz at imails.de>, "Mabelle Sonnenschein"
<mgsonnen at gte.net>, "Kranzberg, Marti" <mkr950 at airmail.net>, "Marsha
Rosenberg" <myrosenberg at earthlink.net>
Betreff: RE: FWD: Roger Ebert: A Green Field
Datum: Sam 15 Sept 2001 0:51 Uhr
Muy hermoso
=BFC=F3mo est=E1n?
Cari=F1os
Mariana
----- Original Message -----
From: R Elena Blum <mailto:Relenablum at msn.com>
To: Adriana Stadecker <mailto:astadecker at earthlink.net> ; Alicia Trigubo
<mailto:atrigubo at mail.retina.ar> ; byron gifford <mailto:Bygif at aol.com> ;
Debbie Spitz <mailto:debspitz at mediaone.net> ; Irene Sieben
<mailto:sieben.tanz at imails.de> ; Mariana Blum
<mailto:blumver at ciudad.com.ar> ; Mabelle Sonnenschein
<mailto:mgsonnen at gte.net> ; Kranzberg, Marti <mailto:mkr950 at airmail.net> =
;
Marsha Rosenberg <mailto:myrosenberg at earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: Fw: FWD: Roger Ebert: A Green Field
A Green Field / Roger Ebert
If there is to be a memorial, let it not be of stone and steel.
Fly no flag above it, for it is not the possession of a nation but a sorrow
shared with the world.
Let it be a green field, with trees and flowers. Let there be
paths that wind through the shade. Put out park benches where old people ca=
n
sun in the summertime, and a pond where children can skate in the winter.
Beneath this field will lie entombed forever some of the victims
of September 11. It is not where they thought to end their lives. Like the
sailors of the battleship Arizona, they rest where they fell.
Let this field stretch from one end of the destruction to the
other. Let this open space among the towers mark the emptiness in our
hearts. But do not make it a sad place. Give it no name. Let people
think of it as the green field. Every living thing that is planted there
will
show faith in the future.
Let students take a corner of the field and plant a crop there.
Perhaps corn, our native grain. Let the harvest be shared all over the
world, with friends and enemies, because that is the teaching of our
religions, and we must show that we practice them. Let the harvest show
that life prevails over death, and let the gifts show that we love our
neighbors.
Do not build again on this place. No building can stand there.
No building, no statue, no column, no arch, no symbol, no name, no date,
no statement. Just the comfort of the earth we share, to remind us that we
share it.
-30-
John D. Buksbazen
Santa Monica, California
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Send message containing the word info to openline-request at apsa.org for help
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
--MS_Mac_OE_3083395664_70521_MIME_Part
Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>FW: Roger Ebert: A Green Field</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#FFFFFF">
Herzliche Gr=FC=DFe von<BR>
Irene sieben<BR>
<BR>
----------<BR>
Von: "Mariana Blum Versiglia" <blumver at ciudad.com.ar><BR>
An: "R Elena Blum" <Relenablum at msn.com>, "Adriana Stad=
ecker" <astadecker at earthlink.net>, "Alicia Trigubo" <=
;atrigubo at mail.retina.ar>, "byron gifford" <Bygif at aol.com>=
;, "Debbie Spitz" <debspitz at mediaone.net>, "Irene Siebe=
n" <sieben.tanz at imails.de>, "Mabelle Sonnenschein" <=
mgsonnen at gte.net>, "Kranzberg, Marti" <mkr950 at airmail.net>=
;, "Marsha Rosenberg" <myrosenberg at earthlink.net><BR>
Betreff: RE: FWD: Roger Ebert: A Green Field<BR>
Datum: Sam 15 Sept 2001 0:51 Uhr<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>
<FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Muy hermoso<BR>
=BFC=F3mo est=E1n?<BR>
Cari=F1os<BR>
Mariana<BR>
</FONT> <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<B>From:</B> R Elena Blum <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:Relenablum at ms=
n.com</U></FONT>> <BR>
<B>To:</B> Adriana Stadecker <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:astadecker=
@earthlink.net</U></FONT>> ; Alicia Trigubo <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000F=
F"><U>mailto:atrigubo at mail.retina.ar</U></FONT>> ; byron gifford &l=
t;<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:Bygif at aol.com</U></FONT>> ; Debbi=
e Spitz <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:debspitz at mediaone.net</U></FONT>=
> ; Irene Sieben <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:sieben.tanz at im=
ails.de</U></FONT>> ; Mariana Blum <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mai=
lto:blumver at ciudad.com.ar</U></FONT>> ; Mabelle Sonnenschein <<F=
ONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:mgsonnen at gte.net</U></FONT>> ; Kranzb=
erg, Marti <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:mkr950 at airmail.net</U></FONT>=
> ; Marsha Rosenberg <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:myrosenber=
g at earthlink.net</U></FONT>> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 14, 2001 6:01 PM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Fw: FWD: Roger Ebert: A Green Field<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
A Green Field / Roger Ebert<BR>
<BR>
If there is to be a memoria=
l, let it not be of stone and steel.<BR>
Fly no flag above it, for it is not the possession of a nation but a sorrow=
<BR>
shared with the world.<BR>
Let it be a green field, wi=
th trees and flowers. Let there be<BR>
paths that wind through the shade. Put out park benches where old people ca=
n<BR>
sun in the summertime, and a pond where children can skate in the winter.<B=
R>
Beneath this field will lie=
entombed forever some of the victims<BR>
of September 11. It is not where they thought to end their lives. Like the<=
BR>
sailors of the battleship Arizona, they rest where they fell.<BR>
Let this field stretch from=
one end of the destruction to the<BR>
other. Let this open space among the towers mark the emptiness in our<BR>
hearts. But do not make it a sad place. Give it no name. Let people<BR>
think of it as the green field. Every living thing that is planted there<BR=
>
will<BR>
show faith in the future.<BR>
Let students take a corner =
of the field and plant a crop there.<BR>
Perhaps corn, our native grain. Let the harvest be shared all over the<BR>
world, with friends and enemies, because that is the teaching of our<BR>
religions, and we must show that we practice them. Let the harvest show<BR>
that life prevails over death, and let the gifts show that we love our<BR>
neighbors.<BR>
Do not build again on this =
place. No building can stand there.<BR>
No building, no statue, no column, no arch, no symbol, no name, no da=
te,<BR>
no statement. Just the comfort of the earth we share, to remind us that we<=
BR>
share it.<BR>
<BR>
-30-<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
John D. Buksbazen<BR>
Santa Monica, California<BR>
<BR>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
<BR>
Send message containing the word info to <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>openline-=
request at apsa.org</U></FONT> for help<BR>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
</BODY>
</HTML>
--MS_Mac_OE_3083395664_70521_MIME_Part--
--------------AA5F295925D67272552570A5--
*
*
==========================================================
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
------------------------------
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,
view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu,
Visit:
http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>From Sat Sep 15 16:24:28 2001
Message-Id: <SAT.15.SEP.2001.162428.0400.>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:24:28 +0400
Reply-To: brynza at online.ru
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: Raffi Aftandelian <brynza at online.ru>
Subject: "Not in the name of my son"
X-To: fsn at futuresearch.net
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dear friends,
I am circulating a letter posted on the war tax resisters listserv (for
people who redirect their taxes to peaceful needs instead of paying
their taxes to an increasingly militant government; a small movement
that has been around for hundreds of years). It is from the parents of a
son who died in the attack on the WTC.
-raffi aftandelian
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 07:02:30 -0700
From: Joe Maizlish <goodwork at igc.org>
Subject: [Fwd: Not in our son's name (letter of parents of son missing
at World
Trade C...]
DavidMcR at aol.com wrote:
>
> Phyllis and Orlando Rodriguez's son Greg is one of the Trade Center
> victims.
> (I grew up with Phyllis in the Bronx) They have asked that people share
> these
> letters as widely as possible.
> Naomi
>
> Copy of letter sent to NY Times:
>
> Not in Our Son's Name
>
> Our son Greg is among the many missing from the World Trade Center
> attack.
> Since we first heard the news, we have shared moments of grief, comfort,
> hope, despair, fond memories with his wife, the two families, our friends and
> neighbors, his loving colleagues at Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed, and all the
> grieving families that daily meet at the Pierre Hotel.
>
> We see our hurt and anger reflected among everybody we meet. We cannot
> pay attention to the daily flow of news about this disaster. But we read
> enough of the news to sense that our government is heading in the direction of
>
> violent revenge, with the prospect of sons, daughters, parents, friends in
> distant lands dying, suffering, and nursing further grievances against us.
> It is not the way to go. It will not avenge our son's death. Not in our son's
> name.
>
> Our son died a victim of an inhuman ideology. Our actions should not
> serve the same purpose. Let us grieve. Let us reflect and pray. Let us think
> about a rational response that brings real peace and justice to our world.
> But let us not as a nation add to the inhumanity of our times.
>
> Copy of letter to White House:
>
> Dear President Bush:
> Our son is one of the victims of Tuesday's attack on the World Trade Center.
> We read about your response in the last few days and about the resolutions from
> both Houses, giving you undefined power to respond to the terror attacks.
>
> Your response to this attach does not make us feel better about our son's
> death. It makes us feel worse. It makes us feel that our government is using
> our son's memory as a justification to cause suffering for other sons and
> parents in other lands.
>
> It is not the first time that a person in your position has been given
> unlimited power and came to regret it. This is not the time for empty gestures
> to make us feel better. It is not the time to act like bullies. We urge you to
> think about how our governement can develop peaceful, rational solutions to
> terrorism, solutions that do not sink us to the inhuman level of terrorists.
> Sincerely,
>
> Phyllis and Orlando Rodriguez
*
*
==========================================================
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
------------------------------
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,
view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu,
Visit:
http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
More information about the OSList
mailing list