changing account settings

Tue Nov 13 15:57:21 PST 2001

I get responses sometimes saying something like "a message with
identical text has gone out over this list recently and this message
is being held up...etc.".  the irony is that it usually goes through
anyway.  When I signed up originally, I unwittingly signed up to have
an email sent to me every time I posted something acknowledging the
post.  I have always wanted to turn that off.  I have gone to the URL
you describe and it has archives and you can get to a manual, but I
haven't found anywhere where you can change settings.

Thanks for the note. -- Kenoli

>Kenoli,
>
>Murli Nagasundaram is our moderator.  He is at murli at boisestate.edu.  I'm
>guessing he's away right now because of the viruses that have crossed the
>list.   I think you can change your own settings by visiting
>http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>
>By the way, I'm not aware of any filtering of messages on this list.  What
>gives you that impression??
>
>Peggy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kenoli Oleari" <kenoli at igc.org>
>To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 7:36 AM
>Subject: Re: Have not sent
>
>
>>  I just received 5 copies of the sircam virus from:
>>
>>  Carole Maleh <520022835052-0001 at t-online.de>
>>
>>  Carole, if you are reading this, I hope you will clean your computer
>>  and get rid of this virus.  It is automatically sending this virus to
>>  all of us.  It looks to me, from the extension on your email address
>>  that you are in Denmark.  I hope you can read my email.  It looks
>>  like you have also received and email from  Richard Häusler
>>  <vhs_grafing at t-online.de> who has reminded you in German that this
>>  problem still exists.
>>
>>  To the moderator of this list:  Is there some way we can filter out
>>  this virus.  You seem to be filtering messages for other content.
>>  How about including this?
>>
>>  (Incidentally, does anyone know how to reach the moderator.  i would
>>  like to change some settings on my account.)
>>
>>  Kenoli
>>  --
>>  Kenoli Oleari, Horizons of Change, http://www.horizonsofchange.com
>>  1801 Fairview Street, Berkeley, CA  94703   Voice Phone: 510-601-8217,
>>  Fax: 510-595-8369, Email: kenoli at igc.org (or click on:
>mailto://kenoli@igc.org)
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>From  Wed Nov 14 11:58:32 2001
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From: Raffi Aftandelian <brynza at online.ru>
Subject: Common sense in the Washington Post?! "Remember Chechnya"
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Dear friends,
I saw the following op-ed piece in the Washington Post. At a time when
the US media is beginning to sound more and more monolothic (does Pravda
come to mind?!) in the all-out grovel-a-thon to be more patriotic, I
found it rather refreshing to see this piece by Anna Politkovskaya, one
of the (very) few reporters who has consistently been covering
Chechnya-- actually going there regularly.

Her truth-telling has been someone inconvenient for the Russian
government, so much so that this year she was taken hostage by Russian
military folks, almost raped.

Last month she, last I heard, escaped Russia for Austria after receiving
threatening phone calls-- as in to kill her. She had recently reported
that it was not Chechens who had shot down a Russian helicopter carrying
two Russian generals, but rather ***Russian soldiers** shot down the
helicopter. That might be hard to believe, but if you have been
following what goes on in Chechnya-- there is a perverse logic to it
when you consider that these generals were on a mission to look at human
rights violation in Chechnya.

I have since then not seen a single article of hers in the paper she
works for- Novaya Gazeta (www.novayagazeta.ru  -- unfortunately only in
English).

I might add that the tone (and content) of the op-ed piece below is
rather restrained knowing her perspective on things: that the US and
Europe are absolute sell-outs when it comes to caring about human
rights, etc. So doing some reading between the lines here might help.

Some of us involved in peace work here in Russia say that there is a
quid pro quo (or one of many) that has emerged out of the 9.11 events:
"We, Russia, do whatever we want in Chechnya, and you (the West) keep
your trap shut. And we will let you do your Afghanistan adventure
unimpeded."

I highly recommend you get her book-- available in English (pretty sure
you can get it on Amazon.com)-- "A Dirty War: A Russian Reporter in
Chechnya."

all the best,
raffi

Remember Chechnya

By Anna Politkovskaya

Wednesday, November 14, 2001; Page A33

Three years ago Russian President Vladimir Putin came to power by
launching a war in Chechnya that
is still referred to in Russia as an anti-terrorist operation. The war
continues, with almost 4,000
Russian soldiers having been killed and more than 13,000 wounded. Why?

In Russia, the disjunction between official statistics and real life is
as great as that between Putin and
democratic freedoms, an issue President Bush should raise in his
discussions with Putin this week.
This disjunction is evident to all who seek to answer the question: What
is the reality in Chechnya
today?

The answer is that Chechnya is an isolated enclave within Russia, a 21st
century ghetto. No one may
freely enter or freely leave -- neither men nor women; neither children,
nor the old. Military
checkpoints are everywhere. In order to pass these checkpoints,
civilians must place a "Form #10" (a
10-ruble bribe) in their passports. Without such bribes, soldiers might
shoot you in the back or simply
detain you, the consequences of which are also usually fatal.

The most characteristic feature of life in Chechnya today is the
uncontrolled blizzard of bullets and
shells all around you. No one is safe. Any discussion of human rights is
silly: Such rights simply do not
exist. As Sultan Khadzhiev, one of the few surgeons remaining in
Chechnya, stated, Chechnya is a
place where some people can do anything they like, while the rest have
to put up with it.

In this drama, the leading roles are played by the military and the
supporting roles by the civilian
population. As for the fighters and other militants, they are nothing
more than extras, providing the
necessary background and scenery for a dirty little war.

A brief look at events on a typical day this month illustrate the point.
Nov. 4: Federal troops at a
checkpoint open fire on a passing tractor. Fifty-two-year old tractor
driver Sultan Suleimanov and his
assistant, 42-year-old Akhmed Sadullayev, are lucky. They are in
intensive care, but they are alive.
While proceeding along a road bordering the town of Akhchoi-Martan, a
military column opens fire on
a roadside cafe. A 19-year-old waitress, Larisa Bugaeva, a refugee from
Grozny, is killed
immediately; another waitress, 30-year-old Larisa Khatimova, is
seriously wounded and is taken to
the intensive care unit. The column, meanwhile, continues toward the
mountains without even slowing
down.

There has been no criminal investigation of these incidents, either on
the day they occurred or since.
This is reality in a military-bandit zone: The procurator's office is
helpless to prevent the federal
troops' excesses and, more often than not, prefers not to become
involved. Even when it takes
action, as it did in early July after the troops conducted a viciously
thorough sweep in the villages of
Sernovodsk and Assinovskaya, nothing comes of its efforts. Federal
troops in that instance gave the
procurators no information, and the civilians simply disappeared. Almost
2,000 civilians have
disappeared in Chechnya in this way: Picked up during a sweep, they are
never seen again, dead or
alive.

The courts -- which exist in name only -- do nothing. The police act as
badly as the military. In fact,
the worst torture chambers in Grozny are in the offices of the Interior
Ministry -- i.e., in the police
stations. Add to all this the barely functioning pro-Moscow governmental
organs established during
the war, wrecked schools and hospitals, an economy in a collapse and a
nonexistent banking system,
and the overall picture of the Chechen ghetto is not just grim, it is
incomprehensible.

What does Putin want in Chechnya? In place of Chechnya? From the
Chechens? What, in view of
the fact that not one of the goals of the anti-terrorist operation has
been realized? Civilians do not
feel even relatively safe. The terrorist leaders are still at large. And
the resistance easily replenishes
its ranks with new recruits seeking revenge for the suffering and deaths
of family members.

Putin constantly sounds the theme of Russia's great-power status in his
public speeches, and the
Russian public eats it up. In what, specifically, does Russia's status
as a great power manifest itself?
What aspects of Russian life demonstrate that we have or should be proud
of something today?

Putin's Russia has no positive aspects. The economy is still in the
hands of oligarchs. Corruption is still
rampant. Our social safety net is nonexistent. In fact, there is nothing
on which to build a domestic
policy. Nevertheless, the Russian people want to feel that they live in
a big and important state.

Chechnya provides the yeast for the growth of the great-power mentality,
the basis of Putin's state
morality. For that reason, Putin forgives the army for committing daily
crimes and atrocities. In fact, by
providing the ideological basis for its active struggle with Islamic
extremists, Putin encourages the
military's addiction to criminal irresponsibility in Chechnya. Putinism
is equally appealing to those in
Europe and America who have warmed to the Russian president because of
his genuine ability to
keep Russia under control. Among Western premiers and presidents, no one
is willing to disturb the
Russian beehive by raising the question of the catastrophic situation in
Chechnya.

So here we are, America, Europe and Putin, all happy with one another,
mired in compromises that
look like betrayal. This betrayal will deepen as Putin and Bush solidify
their support for their
respective campaigns against international terrorism. Bush should be
aware that in his meetings with
Putin, continued compromises will only reinforce Putinism and further
entrap those Chechens living in
this 21st century ghetto.

Anna Politkovskaya is a special correspondent for the Russian newspaper
Novaia Gazeta and the
author of: "A Dirty War: A Russian Reporter in Chechnya."

                        © 2001 The Washington Post Company

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