Question: Between Groups

Sun Nov 4 09:58:47 PST 2001

John,

    I had one experience that a group insisted on having their own os
without any data interference. They said that as managers they are seldom
treated as "people" , always have an additional burden (and I very much
agree)...The creative solution we came up with was to have one additional OS
meeting to which a diagonal of the organization, 70 people who attended one
of the previous OS meetings on that subject (yet majority were managers for
decision making purposes) and that worked very  well. Like water in
connected pipes everything that happened before was present and they were
ready and empowered to take the decisions .
Hope this helps

all the best
Tova Averbuch

Tova Averbuch
34 Rabinovitz street
Holon 58672

972-3-5523476
averbuch at post.tau.ac.il

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From: John Dicus <jdicus at OURFUTURE.COM>
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:58 PM
Subject: Question: Between Groups

> Hello everyone,
>
> Periodically, I work with an group that uses one-day OST "events" as a
> beginning point for other services that they provide to client
organizations.
>
> When the client organization is large, we offer multiple one-day Open
Space
> gatherings for the entire organization.  Participation is voluntary, and
> employees choose which of the two or three one-day events they wish to
attend.
>
> We make all outcomes available to all participants, as well as to the
> entire organization, via internet/intranet when the last session is
completed.
>
> We normally don't influence the second or third day's participants by
> letting them see the topics from previous days.  Although the word gets
> around on it's own to some degree.  The thinking is that we want each
group
> to come in with their own hopes and thoughts, beginning with a clean
sheet.
>  And as you might expect, each day has a life of it's own.
>
> Nothing is "broke," but I'm wondering.  Especially when you see what
> happens when one is fortunate enough to have additional days with the same
> group.  The organizations in question here, though, have operational
> continuity issues and size is often an issue.  So one-day events are what
> we're choosing to deal with.
>
> The questions are...
>
> -  Have you experienced sharing the topics/conversations with a
> second/third group, and what was the result (pros and cons)?
>
> -  What ways would you consider weaving the groups together,
progressively.
>  I'm thinking that there's a paradox in that sharing too much will put
> unwanted expectations on each successive group.  But I'm also thinking
> there's an opportunity being presented to let successive group go
> further/deeper into what's possible for their organization.
>
> I'm not reluctant to experiment on my own behalf because there's lots of
> opportunities to adjust in the future based on what happens.  But on the
> other hand, it may be the client's only opportunity (in the near term) to
> get some good things going for them
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
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Dear friends,
I got the message below from the war tax resisters (WTR) listserv, which
I subscribe to.

FYI, WTR or "peace taxpaying" is when people redirect all or part of
what one would have paid in income taxes (sometimes this involves other
taxes, too, like the telephone tax) to peaceful, nonmilitary use. This
is currently not legal, but there has been a 20+ year lobbying effort to
make this legal.

I am sending this message to you in the thought that you might be able
to help...

all the best,
from an unseasonably warm (thus far) Moscow,
raffi aftandelian

[THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT INITIATIVE from a Veteran of Desert Storm that
is taking off and building steam.  Do NOT reply to this message: please
send all info, inquiries etc. to our good friend James Madison at
madjim at erols.com]

Friends:

Are you opposed to the war and want to do something about it?  How about
something that is *already* getting *national* media attention?  Read
on!

BACKGROUND:

    - Bush has called for Vets to speak at schools from 11/11-11/17,
naturally from a pro-war stance.
    - We, the peace-loving vets, are turning his goal around by
coordinating anti-war vets to speak that week.
    - Our goal is to build a network by e-mail, publicize it widely, and
thus thwart the pro-war thunder.
    - We are seeking both vets who are willing to speak, and
coordinators to arrange for them to speak.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO DATE:

    In just 3 days:
    - We accumulated over 2 dozen speakers and coordinators in 10
states.
   - We were contacted by the Associated Press! (More on this in a
minute).
    - We had offers to forward this idea to *tens of thousands* of
anti-war folks if the idea took off--well, it's taking off, and may soon
explode!

    In short, we have the seeds of a hastily-formed, and
highly-effective movement.  But we need your help to really make it
grow.

WHAT YOU CAN DO:
    - Are you a vet against the war?  We need you to volunteer to
address student groups from 11/11 to
11/17.  Even if you can only make 1 hour on 1 day, that helps!  Contact
James Madison at madjim at erols.com immediately with a brief
description of your military background.

   - Will you coordinate a vet at your local school? Whether you're a
teacher who wants the anti-war perspective for your class, or a
concerned citizen who wants an anti-war vet in your local school, you
can help here.  Contact James Madison at madjim at erols.com with the name
of the school(s)
you are willing to coordinate.

   - Just stay in touch with this effort.  Send a message to James
Madison at madjim at erols.com and I'll put you on the e-mail list even if
you don't want to coordinate or speak.

    - CIRCULATE THIS MESSAGE.  We need to make this movement grow!  I
told you before that the AP contacted me.  But I haven't done an
interview
yet.  Imagine that if instead of dozens of speakers/ coordinators in
just 10 states, it was hundreds--
or THOUSANDS in 25, 35, 50 states!  Let's make effort big, so we can
knock their socks off!

THE LIST:

    Below is the list of vets to speak and those who will coordinate.
(Note that if you're a vet, you can
coordinate yourself too!, but spreading the work makes for greater
success).  I will be maintaining this list and
circulating it every few days, if not every day, from now until 11/17.

    If you have volunteered, make sure your name is on the list.  If you
see someone you want to work with,
let me know and I'll give you their e-mail address/phone number so you
can work with them directly.  I have all
the contact information, but don't want to circulate it in this message
for the privacy and security of those
involved.

YOU!:

    Back to the most important thing: we need *you* to grow this list
and this effort.
    This is a great thing you can do against the war. It doesn't take
much time, your commitment will
clearly end on 11/17, yet it could get enormous nationwide publicity.
    Send this message far and wide.  Our success is up to you!

Thanks!

James Madison (Yes, that really is my name!)
Desert Storm Veteran
Marine Corps, 87-91

P.S. The Associated Press contacting us is not enough--I want to contact
*every* major media outlet. You can
help.  Do you know the FAX number of the press room for any major media
outlet?  Can you find out?  If so,
send it to me (madjim at erols.com).  I already have 95 media FAX numbers
for my state of CT, but we want this
effort to go national in a big way!

  CA:    --------------------------------

    Speak: Glen Motil, Marines, Desert Storm
    Place: San Diego Area

    Speak: Howard Johnson, Army
    Place: Los Angeles Area

  CT:    --------------------------------

    Speak: Mitzi Bowman, Air Force, WWII
    Place: Greater New Haven

    Coord: Gabriela Campos
    Place: Central CT State U, New Britain

    Speak: Walter Hrozenchik, Navy, Korea
    Place: Greater Danbury

    Coord: Sarah Kotler
    Place: Ethel Walker School, Simsbury

    Speak: Vittorio Lancia,  TBD, TBD
    Place: Portland Area

    Speak: Regina Day Langhout, Navy, Desert Storm
    Place: Middletown Area, not Middletown itself

    Speak: James Madison, Marines, Desert Storm
    Place: Hartford / Middletown / New Haven Areas

    Speak: Alfred Marder, Army, WWII, Bronze Star
    Place: Greater New Haven

    Coord: Marya
    Place: New London, Norwich, Stonington

  MA:    --------------------------------

    Speak: Tom Gale, Marines, Vietnam
    Place: Beverly, Salem, Peabody, Danvers, Hamilton-Wenham

    Coord: James Ricciato
    Place: Boston College

  MD:    --------------------------------

    Speak: Dan Jacobson, Army, Vietnam
    Place: Montgomery County

  OH:    --------------------------------

    Coord: Jason Johnston
    Place: Oberlin College

  GA:    --------------------------------

    Speak: Kevin Warner,  Army, Korea
    Place: Metro Atlanta
    Coord:
    Place:

  KS:    --------------------------------

    Coord: Janette Schwartzburg
    Place: Lawrence High School, Lawrence

  NY:    --------------------------------

    Coord: Gloria Bletter
    Place: NYC

    Coord: Dermot Dix
    Place: Dalton School

    Coord: Bill K.
    Place: NYC

    Coord: Daniel Jerome
    Place: Banana Kelly High School

  PA:    --------------------------------

    Speak: John Vandenberg, Navy, Desert Storm
    Place: Greater Philly

  SC:    --------------------------------

    Coord: Jerise Fogel
    Place: Columbia University

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