Novosibirsk reflections continued

[Elena A. Marchuk]

hm

thank you, Meg

it is a time

and we are not the people who are understood at once
but we are working on that

best wishes to you
elena

----- Original Message -----
From: Meg Salter <meg.salter at SYMPATICO.CA>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: Novosibirsk reflections continued


> Thank you Elena, Birgitt - what a wonderful sharing.
>
> I want to offer an observation, and perhaps a caution.
> Way back in the 60's (!) I studied Russian in high school and university
for
> 5 years. Then in the 70's, way before perestrioka, I spent a few brief
weeks
> in the USSR - both Russia and one of the republics (Soviet Armenia) The
KGB
> was very evident, the black market was thriving (blue jeans being a hot
> item), the food was limited, but available. The society worked - sort of,
> for some, and many paid a heavy price. A poet I met later committed
> suicide - he could not find a way forward.
>
> For those of you have read Spiral Dynamics (and Ken Wilber picks up on the
> terms), the societ was heavy Blue - controlled by the state, paramount
> obedience to authority, a sense of Mother Russia and the state being
greater
> than any one individual. That society is splitting at the seams - some
> engaging in entrepeneurial opportunities (Orange), many regressing to a
> fight to survive (Red). There is no question that they are in Open Space,
a
> time of great upheaval, potential for high learning, and high risk. It is
so
> wonderful that Elena, Birgitt and all are offering a vehicle for
> transformation.
>
> And I believe that is is important not to impose our own implicit cultural
> assumptions on what is needed next. In North America, most can talk about
> abundance because, next to most of the world, we have it. We can take a
> certain basis of societal order for granted. Many Russians (and other
> "developing groups" - at home and abroad) cannot. So I think it is really
> important, in our work as facilitators of the life and growth process, to
be
> open to what needs to happen next - which the larger group will know. (I
see
> a parallel kind of things in people and organizations who have gone
through
> major downsizings.)
>
> Anyway - food for thought - wonderful work, all of you!!
>
> Meg Salter
>
> MegaSpace Consulting
> 416/486-6660
> meg.salter at sympatico.ca
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glory Ressler" <on.the.edge at SYMPATICO.CA>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Novosibirsk reflections continued
>
>
> > Dear Birgitt, Elena and other colleagues:
> > What a gift you have all given us!  THANK YOU!!!!!!!
> > I am deeply moved and inspired by the courageous and beautiful stories
> > of how the russian people (and all people, for that matter!) are
> > struggling to brilliantly adapt to environmental challenges.
> > In my humble, storied interpretation, I see an incredibly strong people
> > REFUSING to give over to unhealthy systemic conditions.  This is a
> > people who may have very important things to say about the spirit of
> > survival in our species!  The determination to 'press on', literally and
> > metaphorically, is a testament to their strength, courage, and
> > persistence.  It speaks, to me, of only the deep resources of a people
> > steeped in their own beautiful and, sometimes, tragic culture.  On this
> > level I can relate personally and culturally, to some extent,  and am
> > very open to hearing more and growing together!
> > The posts have sparked my own thinking around,  how I might choose to
> > engage in such an energetic environment....
> > Warm wishes to all!
> > glory
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Glory Ressler, B.A., Dip. GIT
> > Avalon Consulting & Associates
> > Phone: (905) 937-2177
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