Prof. Ilya Prigogine

[Artur F. Silva]

At 18:05 31-01-2001 -0500, Harrison Owen wrote:


>>I suspect this can be very important to other questions
>>we have discussed here, namely, that "normal organizations" are
>>"constrained systems", that are in a sort of "equilibrium". So they
>>DO NOT evidence the caracterhistics of self organization that are
>>common in "non equilibrium Systems". Only about "non equilibrium
>>systems" do the laws of "chaos" apply. The role of OST can very
>>weel be one of "dissolving" the old order by way of "imposing"
>>some new rules and principles during the duration of the meeting.
>
>But on the question above... I know that every organization would like to
>think that it is a "constrained system" -- therefore a "closed system --
>and I AM IN CHARGE. Whoever "I" is. But I think the truth is rather that
>there is no such thing as a closed system, particularly in the world of
>organizations -- and so they are all self-organizing systems.

Sorry, Harrison, it is seams that I am arguing, but I have not completely
undestood your point.

I was not claimng that a "constrained system" is a closed one, and is not
self-organized. I was only saying that there is a diference between self
organization at Open Systems, that are "constrained", and therefore
"close to equilibrium" (bood or bad, that's not the question). And self
organization at Open System that are "far from equilibrium", the ones
where Chaos theory apply.

After all, Prigogine studied thermodinamical systems that were far from
equilibrium and has discored chaos theory - that were not acting in
systems at equlibrium or close to it.

Any new enlightment you can share with me, so that I can understand?

Thanks

Artur

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