Facilitator training

Peggy Holman pholman at msn.com
Tue Sep 26 17:01:10 PDT 2000 

Laurel,

Well said.

Peggy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doersam, Laurel" <Laurel.Doersam at CAPHEALTH.ORG>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Facilitator training


> Thanks for your input, Birgitt.  The powerpoint demonstration was merely
an
> adjunct to the discussion.  In fact, the givens, as you've so
> comprehensively described, enjoyed significant and lively discussion
during
> the course of the training.  The slides you refer to were actually taken
> intact from Jimbo's presentation, and I thought they were a delightful way
> to frame the discussion on givens.  As for "shamelessly plagiarizing", I'm
> not worried about that - it was joke.  Of course, I asked Harrison's
> permission to use his materials (likewise, Jimbo).  I feel a certain
caution
> about becoming too strident about OST, which is, I believe, an essentially
> playful process.   I'd also be a little cautious about calling into
question
> a colleague's ethics and integrity.  While many of us lack the historical
> background on OST that you enjoy (and so would not know and therefore
> acknowledge that the givens were YOUR contribution), I believe that even
> neophytes (in any field) can make worthwhile contributions.
>
> Laurel.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birgitt Williams [mailto:birgitt at MINDSPRING.COM]
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:20 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Facilitator training
>
>
> Laurel,
> I don't recall a discussion on the dilemma of certification. I do recall a
> discussion about standards of Open Space Technology, ethics and integrity
> (wholeness).
>
> And now about a new Open Space Technology concept, your admission of
> "shameless plagarizing". In some professional circles, this would not be
> tolerated. I wonder if it is really what you might want pulled up out of
the
> archives at some point in the future by someone who might send it
elsewhere?
>
> I would like to clarify for the list and for the archives the topic of
> "givens" --your slides 64 and 65. You have provided here an excellent
> example of what I was raising in my concerns of a few weeks ago of
> standards, ethics, and integrity...Or the lack of. In about 1993 (I would
> have to look up the correspondence for the exact dates) I introduced the
> notion of the "givens" as a critical factor of Open Space Technology. In
the
> early days of my contribution, Harrison debated and disagreed with me
saying
> Open Space Technology was bounded by passion and responsibility.
Eventually,
> "the givens" made it into OST training and practice. In my experience and
> knowledge, getting the theme and the "givens" right is critical in a Open
> Space Technology event that makes a difference in the organization over
the
> long haul. If my contributions are to be( in your own words) "shamelessly
> plagarized", likely having been translated by Jimbo from our training
> together and then to you for further translation by you, I would
appreciate
> accuracy. For the benefit of those who intend to use your slides in the
hope
> of great outcomes, I submit to the list and archives (unfortunately I
can't
> make this right to the many other hundreds who likely now have your
> Powerpoint presentation) that when we work with "givens", the "givens"
that
> need to be determined are the following:
> 1. purpose of the meeting
> 2. direction of the meeting
> 3. laws of the land must be adhered to (which particular pieces of
> legislation?)
> 4. givens pertaining to structure (ie: it is a given that we have a
> structure, it is not a given that we retain this specific structure)
> 5. financial
> 6. process
> 7. what is to happen to the information from the meeting (ie: will it be
on
> a website? will others beyond our organization see it?)
> 8. how the group will know what has happened in the future as a result of
> the meeting via communication or another meeting during which they are
> accountable to each other
> 9. handling of matters of confidentiality for competitive
edge/intellectual
> property
>
>
> Every OST faciitator will do this all as he or she interprets and sees
fit.
> However, when we train others, I believe it is essential that we go back
to
> the roots. I acknowledge Harrison for his work and then very clearly note
> what my addition/or interpretation is so that people have a chance to make
> up their own minds about what is Open Space Technology and what is it not.
>
> Birgitt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]On Behalf Of
> Doersam, Laurel
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:00 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Facilitator training
>
>
> Hi Leslie,
>
> Thanks for your kind comments.  Harrison's posting that I mentioned was
sent
> on Sept. 3/00.  It's really well worth reading - it was in response to the
> discussion on the listserve about the dilemma of certification of OST
> facilitators.  Some of these slides were pilfered from Jimbo's ppt
> presentation - most of the more pragmatic, nuts and bolts, explanatory
ones
> (mine are the more "out there airy-fairy right brain" ones!!)
>
> Warmly,
>
> Laurel.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dagostino, Leslie (Leslie) [mailto:ldagostino at LUCENT.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:31 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Facilitator training
>
>
> Laurel,
>
> What a cool story!  If you really meant it, I'd love to see your power
point
> presentation.  I use OST in a corporate setting and continually seek to
> enhance my OST "marketing" materials.  I think you were masterful in
working
> with the facilitator team.  So often, they can be the most difficult
people
> to deal with!  The self-discovery aspects of OST are so powerful. I am
also
> not sure about "Harrison's wonderful listserve posting about convergence
and
> how it depended on the group and the circumstances.  ("Am I
> anti-convergence?. . . ")."  Can you point me to it?  I just got on the
> listserve.  Congratulations on a wonderful training.
>
> Leslie D'Agostino
> 630-713-9858
>
>
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