Coming in from left field....

[JayWV at aol.com]

In a message dated 3/11/0 3:22:51 AM, gkmz at onr.com writes:

<< Just thought these links might be of interest to some of you..... >>

Folks may also be interested in the Cluetrain Manifesto -

www.Cluetrain.com

a currently hip statement of the power of self-organizing conversation and
relationship via the Internet and via Intranets (and also, though unstated,
but obviously also true, via Open Space) in remaking the relationship between
markets and employees and the thing we call corporations.

Jay

Jay W. Vogt
Peoplesworth
166 Hubbard Street
Concord, MA 01742-2448 USA
(978) 371-3134 - Voice
(978) 287-5431 - Fax
jaywv at aol.com - Email

>From  Mon Mar 13 22:38:34 2000
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My contribution to the idea of someone coming forward to close the space and
how to avoid walking out follows as a story. Comments in brackets are my
editorial comments:

Once upon a time (don't you just love a story that starts 'once upon a
time') Anyway--
Once upon a time there was a mother mouse (those of you who have taken
training with Harrison or who have read the books know the mouse is the
symbol for community and an important element of open space). One day she
said to her children "today we must go out because we have to find some food
(nourish ourselves :-)). But we must be very careful because there is a CAT,
a big CAT who would like to eat us. So stay close to me and don't make any
noise." So they ventured outside. They saw a nice morsel of cheese right by
the garbage can (passion and responsibility show up here). Just as they
approached the cheese, a big CAT jumped in front of them (seems like a space
invader to me). He had big yellow eyes and big fangy teeth, with one ear up
and one ear down. Just as he pulled out his claws and was about to pounce on
them, the mother mouse pulled herself up to her full height and said to the
cat: "Bark, bark, bark, woof, woof, woof!" At which point the cat was so
freaked out it ran away. The mother mouse then turned to her children and
said, "now my children, you know the importance of learning another
language".


For me, I can't imagine walking out in my job as facilitator. Mostly, as an
external facilitator, if I walk out the risks I take for me are loss of
income and possibly reputation in some quarters. And we could say that the
people of the organization could also use their two feet, and they can. I
recognize that they have much to risk if they stay in a really controlling
place. I also realize they have much much to risk---their livlihood by
likely loss of job, problems in families, default on mortgage payments etc.
if they use their law of two feet by walking out of the Open Space.
Different ones of them might over time (or quickly) decide to seek other
employment. But in the minute of the drama of the CEO or whomever shutting
down the space, it is too "life threatening" for some people to use the law
of two feet. I would however, formally and with ceremony "officially" close
the space to make the transition from one to the other clear, I would be so
controlling in that moment in time that even a fierce CEO could not stop me.
My job as  I see it would be to make sure all know that the space is closing
and that I who opened it am the closer of it, to signify the end of my
commitment with them as the space holder. I would then either leave or stay,
depending on a number of factors. I would not walk out without doing a
closing.

And if I was an internal facilitator, I would take a great risk in doing
this. I would likely lose my job, not just my contract.


Birgitt
Birgitt Williams
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eat us.=20
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responsibility=20
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front of=20
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of the=20
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also=20
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job,=20
problems in families, default on mortgage payments etc. if they use =
their law of=20
two feet by walking out of the Open Space. Different ones of them might =
over=20
time (or quickly) decide to seek other employment. But in the minute of =
the=20
drama of the CEO or whomever shutting down the space, it is too "life=20
threatening" for some people to use the law of two feet. I would =
however,=20
formally and with ceremony "officially" close the space to make the =
transition=20
from one to the other clear, I would be so controlling in that moment in =
time=20
that even a fierce CEO could not stop me. My job as  I see it would =
be to=20
make sure all know that the space is closing and that I who opened it am =
the=20
closer of it, to signify the end of my commitment with them as the space =
holder.=20
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would not=20
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consultants</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Striving for Success? Ready to =
exceed=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>your expectations?</FONT></DIV>
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>From  Mon Mar 13 22:41:44 2000
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Dear friends,

Recent conversations have been rich and diverse. High learning and high
play. Caused me to do a lot of thinking about my beliefs and what the
essential ingredients for me are regarding Open Space Technology. And that
took me down a path of thought that feels important to share. I have
recently been reading some excellent texts concerning Buddhism (thanks to
Joe Szostak in Halifax for the first book, "Start Where You Are"). This
book, as other books, speaks a great deal about Open Space. The importance
of Open Space. And in Open Space, enabling self to be present in in the
moment. And all of the other wonderful things that we experience in an Open
Space Technology meeting. And of Open Space as a way of living.

Now, this has me thinking that on this list, we may not differentiate
between this Open Space of life, and Open Space Technology. I feel that the
differentiation is critical. Harrison Owen created Open Space Technology.
Seems to me that God invented Open Space. And, in the Open Space that God
created, it is fine to be hugely different in our practices, our fun (nerf
balls), our personal growth and the right to meet our individual personal
growth needs (whether we be facilitators or not) and to play and grow and
evolve. And then there is this creation of Harrison Owen's (as outlined in
Open Space Technology : a user's guide) which some of us like to work with
and use as much as possible in this world of ours. Open Space Technology has
certain ingredients that create the conditions for a meeting. These
ingredients are simple to help each other learn and can be easily duplicated
by facilitators around the world, no matter the skill level, the culture
etc. And, we can have a sense of comfort when we hear that someone has
facilitated an Open Space Technology meeting, that simply knowing that
conjures up images of what likely was structured. Appropriate structure.  It
is not a formula, nor does it dictate one right way. Much like baking a
cake. So long as all of the ingredients are in place, there can be a lot of
variation and still get the same cake. A chocolate cake is a chocolate cake,
tasting different a bit dependent on the day, the oven, the baker.
Forgetting the chocolate or choosing to omit it in order to simplify the
process, creates something that may be good, but it is not a chocolate cake.

I think that when we have rich discussions about the Open Space of life, the
basic philosophy of simplifying things or of adding things like a nerf ball
or dance, it is an individual choice and it represents whatever that
individual might need for personal evolution and growth. And it might be
entertaining or rich for growth. I am think though, that when we speak of
Open Space Technology, that it represents a certain thing as described in
the User's Guide, giving certain ingredients, and through the ingredients,
ensuring certain standards from facilitator to facilitator.

The distinction in my own mind between Open Space and Open Space Technology
is important.

Birgitt

Birgitt Williams
Make Genuine Contact!
Dalar Associates: organizational
effectiveness consultants

Striving for Success? Ready to exceed
your expectations?

Contact us for consulting services, training,
conference and meeting facilitation,
and keynote speaking.

www.openspacetechnology.com


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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do a=20
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me are=20
regarding Open Space Technology. And that took me down a path of thought =
that=20
feels important to share. I have recently been reading some excellent =
texts=20
concerning Buddhism (thanks to Joe Szostak in Halifax for the first =
book, "Start=20
Where You Are"). This book, as other books, speaks a great deal about =
Open=20
Space. The importance of Open Space. And in Open Space, enabling self to =
be=20
present in in the moment. And all of the other wonderful things that we=20
experience in an Open Space Technology meeting. And of Open Space as a =
way of=20
living.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D080452701-13032000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D080452701-13032000>Now, =
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thinking that on this list, we may not differentiate between this Open =
Space of=20
life, and Open Space Technology. I feel that the differentiation is =
critical.=20
Harrison Owen created Open Space Technology. Seems to me that God =
invented Open=20
Space. And, in the Open Space that God created, it is fine to be hugely=20
different in our practices, our fun (nerf balls), our personal growth =
and the=20
right to meet our individual personal growth needs (whether we be =
facilitators=20
or not) and to play and grow and evolve. And then there is this creation =
of=20
Harrison Owen's (as outlined in Open Space Technology : a user's guide) =
which=20
some of us like to work with and use as much as possible in this world =
of ours.=20
Open Space Technology has certain ingredients that create the conditions =
for a=20
meeting. These ingredients are simple to help each other learn and can =
be easily=20
duplicated by facilitators around the world, no matter the skill level, =
the=20
culture etc. And, we can have a sense of comfort when we hear that =
someone has=20
facilitated an Open Space Technology meeting, that simply knowing that =
conjures=20
up images of what likely was structured. Appropriate structure.  It =
is not=20
a formula, nor does it dictate one right way. Much like baking a cake. =
So long=20
as all of the ingredients are in place, there can be a lot of variation =
and=20
still get the same cake. A chocolate cake is a chocolate cake, tasting =
different=20
a bit dependent on the day, the oven, the baker. Forgetting the =
chocolate or=20
choosing to omit it in order to simplify the process, creates something =
that may=20
be good, but it is not a chocolate cake.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D080452701-13032000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D080452701-13032000>I =
think that when we=20
have rich discussions about the Open Space of life, the basic philosophy =
of=20
simplifying things or of adding things like a nerf ball or dance, it is =
an=20
individual choice and it represents whatever that individual might need =
for=20
personal evolution and growth. And it might be entertaining or rich for =
growth.=20
I am think though, that when we speak of Open Space Technology, that it=20
represents a certain thing as described in the User's Guide, giving =
certain=20
ingredients, and through the ingredients, ensuring certain standards =
from=20
facilitator to facilitator. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D080452701-13032000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D080452701-13032000>The =
distinction in=20
my own mind between Open Space and Open Space Technology is important.=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D080452701-13032000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D080452701-13032000>Birgitt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D080452701-13032000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D080452701-13032000></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Birgitt Williams</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Make Genuine =
Contact!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Dalar Associates: =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>effectiveness =
consultants</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Striving for Success? Ready to =
exceed=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>your expectations?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Contact us for consulting =
services,=20
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>From  Mon Mar 13 22:38:30 2000
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:38:30 -0500
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Hello friends,
I have been going through some old notes and found this quote from Peg
Holman in Sustaining Open Space published in At Work: March 1997. I liked it
and saved it and wanted to share it on the list. It seems apropos to recent
conversations regarding form.

"the genius of Open Space is that it puts no structure on content. The form
is shaped by intent and principle. ....Someone has to hold the space,
otherwise it is just another good idea before its time."

Birgitt

Birgitt Williams
Make Genuine Contact!
Dalar Associates: organizational
effectiveness consultants

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D720262001-13032000>I have =
been going=20
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genius of Open=20
Space is that it puts no structure on content. The form is shaped by =
intent and=20
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another good=20
idea before its time."</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720262001-13032000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D720262001-13032000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Birgitt Williams</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Make Genuine =
Contact!</FONT></DIV>
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organizational=20
</FONT></DIV>
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consultants</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Striving for Success? Ready to =
exceed=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>your expectations?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Black" size=3D2>Contact us for consulting =
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Birgitt Williams schrieb:

>   The distinction in my own mind between Open Space and Open Space
> Technology is important.

dear birgitt,

your pointing out that distinction between open space and
open space technology  is an important idea
as well as your idea about closing the open space
to manage a situation of space invading.
that both seems to me two aspects of the same idea.

to understand you in the right way, let me ask
about opening and closing space:

within open space technology there is a space holder
who opens the space at the beginning, who holds the space,
who protects the space and who may close the space
at the end or in defending the space against invasion  ??

within the general open space
there is no opening and no closing
because it is once opended at the beginning for ever.
it is the now and the eternity in itself
it is the individual and the universe in itself ??

the distinction is very helpfull
because it is as well the distinction
between a facilitator using open space technology
and the creator of open space.

and personally for me, i understand once more the important idea
that the end of a process (the closing) needs the same care
as the beginning.

thank you, birgitt. i like your thorough thoughts.

florian fischer

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<p>Birgitt Williams schrieb:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>  <span class=080452701-13032000><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>The
distinction in my own mind between Open Space and Open Space Technology
is important. </font></font></span></blockquote>
dear birgitt,<br>
<br>
your pointing out that distinction between open space and <br>
open space technology  is an important idea <br>
as well as your idea about closing the open space<br>
to manage a situation of space invading.<br>
that both seems to me two aspects of the same idea.<br>
<br>
to understand you in the right way, let me ask<br>
<b>about opening and closing space</b>:<br>
<br>
within open space technology there is a space holder<br>
who opens the space at the beginning, who holds the space,<br>
who protects the space and who may close the space<br>
at the end or in defending the space against invasion  ??<br>
<br>
within the general open space<br>
there is no opening and no closing<br>
because it is once opended at the beginning for ever.<br>
it is the now and the eternity in itself<br>
it is the individual and the universe in itself ??<br>
<br>
the distinction is very helpfull<br>
because it is as well the distinction<br>
between a facilitator using open space technology<br>
and the creator of open space.<br>
<br>
and personally for me, i understand once more the important idea<br>
that the end of a process (the closing) needs the same care<br>
as the beginning.<br>
<br>
thank you, birgitt. i like your thorough thoughts.<br>
<br>
florian fischer</html>

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