I been switched, bothered and bewildered.

Fri Jun 23 05:24:31 PDT 2000

At 06:43 PM 6/22/00 -0400, Richard Norris wrote:
>Harrison,
>
>Hope your trip is a safe one for all.  Was pulling a sailboat cross country
>once and had the great experience of replacing wheel bearings enroute.
>They looked fine before I left San Francisco. Fortunately for us they
>seized up while at the Grand Canyon as I was pulling out of an overlook
>area.  The "eye candy" helped make the work go faster and eased the stress.
>  Have fun!
>
>Rich Norris

Good eye candy is always helpful in a stressful situation. Maybe we need
some here on the listserve????

But the best I can come up with is sort of ear-candy. Sort of...

Anyhow, I guess it is my failing mind, but I really can't see what the
issue is. Essentially we have two email systems. One old, tired, and
antiquated (poor old Boise State) and the other pretty much up to
par.  Both are free, although you do have to put up with a bit of
advertising on egroup. Anybody who can get email on one system can get it
on the other -- so nobody is excluded. Where is the problem? Why not go
with the system that works better?

As for TMN -- that is a whole different kettle of fish. It is web-based, so
in theory some folks might not be able to reach it. But in practice, I
can't believe there is much of a problem. First of all, TMN will not
replace the listserve  [ hopefully egroup :-)  ] -- but run parallel.
Secondly, if there is anybody out there who can't get on TMN just email me.
I'll be happy to send you a copy of IE or Netscape -- and failing
everything else -- forward whatever material you want -- up to a point.

So if anybody out there actually feels left out or in the dark -- let's
hear from you. Otherwise let's get on with the business -- opening up a
little space and sharing experiences. Seems like 99.99999% of our
conversation in the last several weeks has been about the modes of
communication. How about some communication of a different sort. A little
ear/mind candy.

The 'Ol Curmudgeon

Harrison

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>From  Fri Jun 23 08:55:53 2000
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From: Larry Peterson <lpasoc at inforamp.net>
Subject: Re: I been switched, bothered and bewildered.
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I had not trouble getting back on to tmn.com and the caucus.   My only
problem is the time to engage in the conversations, however the will is
there and it will happen.  As for e-groups, I went to sign up, thought I
had, but have not received any stuff from there. Guess I'll have to try
again.

Larry

Larry Peterson
Associates in Transformation
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Canada, M6E 3A4
Tel:/Fax: 416-653-4829

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>From  Fri Jun 23 10:23:28 2000
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:23:28 -0500
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From: Michael Herman <mherman at globalchicago.net>
Organization: Michael Herman Associates
Subject: Re: Will it work in an educational organization?
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hello everyone,
i received this message from a friend in curacao.  surely
there are some among us who can say something of help to
him.  please respond to him directly at
<mailto:frank_claessen at curinfo.an> as he is not on (either)
list.  he has posted this and a bit more details at the
http://www.openspaceworld.org website, in the welcome forum.
 many thanks, michael

> frank_claessen wrote:
> <mailto:frank_claessen at curinfo.an>

> Hi Michael,
>
> Allow me to introduce myself shortly. I am working as a
> teacher at one of the high schools at Curacao.
>
> The educational field is in a deplorable state: Bad
> economy which has been resulting in a freeze of salaries
> for the past ten years, a 50% cut in a 13th month and
> increasing workloads because of the all to necessary and
> badly needed changes in educational techniques (the ones
> we use now are from Fred Flintstones era!)
>
> You must be able to imagine, how demotivated these people
> are.
>
> Right now I am invited to take part in a selection
> procedure for a management position. I am still thinking
> about it but I have the feeling that I have to do
> something.
>
> OST seems to be a way to motivate people again....BUT: Can
> there be changes when there is no money or hardly any
> money?
>
> That is one of my big questions.
>
> Could you tell me if there are experiences in the field
> that deal with similar conditions and problems like the
> ones I described just now?
>
> Please let me know.
>
> TIA
>
> Frank Claessen
>

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